CapitolFax.com: Fresh “Impeachment Day” open thread
Phineas J. Whoopee
· 11 months ago
I mean this very seriously, someone needs to be keeping an eye on the Governor from a health standpoint. Specifically, making sure he doesn't do anything rash. There will be a time coming soon where some drastic measures might look like the easy way out. There is forgivness and redemption for almost everybody.
Juice
· 11 months ago
Where's Tusk when you need him?
How Ironic
· 11 months ago
Forgiveness is between God and the Gov. And to be forgiven, one must repent. Don't see that happening.
ivoted4judy
· 11 months ago
The Master has once again proven that nothing happens by accident. He took a lot of abuse from the 2nd floor over the capital bill, and other stuff. He just sat back and planned, every move was thought out thru at least 10 steps ahead. He let Emil and Cross hang in the wind, he let Rod be a blowhard. And the Master just sat back and let the whole scenario unfold, JUST like he knew it would. Of course, the smartest guy in Illinois politics v. the dumbest ever, was it really ever a fair fight????
Bill Baar
· 11 months ago
I agree PJW.
Barnum and Blago
· 11 months ago
Predictions for RRB's presser?
I think he'll go for some Churchill allusions:
"We shall defend our Illinois, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight in the senate, we shall fight in the federal courts, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender. "
Oswego Willy
· 11 months ago
There are a couple rules you need to live by if you want to get around Springfield:
Speaker Madigan knows more about what you are going to do, before you know you are going to do it.
Speaker Madigan is, at least, 3 steps ahead of you at any point in your thinking.
If speaker Madigan shows favor upon you, take it.
If Speaker Madigan shows displeasure with you, fix it.
Know when Speaker Madigan "gives" you something, you will give back something, and it will be of the Speaker's choosing.
If the Speaker says no, get over it, and don't go around.
Other than that ...
Anonymous Coward
· 11 months ago
@Barnum and Blago
After his 'fight fight fight' speech last time, perhaps some Knute Rockne..
We're going inside of ‘em, we're going outside of ‘em -- inside of ‘em! outside of ‘em! -- and when we get them on the run once, we're going to keep ‘em on the run.
no contest
· 11 months ago
This was more like the Governor laying down his King - or going all-in with a 7-2 offsuit.
He shot himself in the foot. I don't think we ever got to see the REAL contest.
That's probably a good thing.
312
· 11 months ago
GRod never learned the #1 commandment of Illinois Politics --- "don't mess with Mike Madigan." He's the master, having seen numerous hacks rise to power over these years --- and then watch them fall. I'm guessing GRod "blames" Madigan for his problems, but they're all of GRod's making.
GRod let his ego get in the way, thinking he was all powerful. His penchant for "throwing people under the bus" when they displeased him certainly didn't help his cause. Good leaders don't step on people when they're climbing up the ladder --- because those are the same people that will kick you when you slip.
For Jay Hoffman to vote for the impeachment, says volumes.
I just feel horrible for the Blagojevich girls (Patti not included). To have their father splashed all over worldwide media like this, must be exceptionally painful. I'm sure Ald. Mell will be able to take good care of them while their parents are away!
Just Watching
· 11 months ago
I talked to several folks who work at the Stathouse for various code departments today. Yep, the Gov brought some real hacks into jobs, but there are some talented hard working ones also who I hope are going to be OK,
Anonymous
· 11 months ago
To Oswego Willy...you have described the best and only way to survive in Springpatch
Been There
· 11 months ago
I rethought my post on the earlier thread about Blago appointing himself to the MWRD board right before he is convicted in the Senate. I didn't realize he will be disqualified from holding any office in this state if convicted. So, he appoints Patti. It's a part-time gig and she works out something with her current job. He drives the car.
ivoted4judy
· 11 months ago
At 2PM Rod will announce that he has convinced Emil Jones to return to the Senate and take back his seat from his son. Emil will then challenge Cullerton for the presidency. Once back in the Chair, Rod will maintain that Emil will refuse to convene the procedings therby covering his rear one more time. I am on the job to stay!!!!!!!!!!!
Six Degrees of Separation
· 11 months ago
I seriously doubt if Cross went as far as some think in accommodating the gov, against Madigan's wishes. Even though Rod was continually pushing him to do so. Cross is correct that, as the Gov is the guy who pulls all the puppet strings at the agencies, if you don't at least have some semblance of a working relationship with the Gov, nothing (and I mean nothing) is gonna get done. That being said, I'm sure Madigan and Cross haven't seen 100% eye to eye on everything in the last 6 years, to say the least. After all, they are from different parties, and they are natural rivals to a certain extent.
It is unfortunate for the state that we had a meglomaniac at the controls for six years, who the legislators needed to deal with, but couldn't rationally be dealt with.
Phineas J. Whoopee
· 11 months ago
Let's not canonize the Speaker just yet. If he is so smart and so many steps ahead of everybody then he is partially responsible for this mess too. Another words, if this was part of his plan we really are in big trouble. The State is 5 billion in debt.
I happen to think that even he was overwhelmed by the self destructive greed of the Blago corruption machine. As smart as the Speaker is, one guy brought down this Governor and his name is Patrick Fitzgerald.
Oswego Willy
· 11 months ago
The sad issue seems that we watch "hacks" time and time again think that the "Speaker Madigan Rules" do not apply to them ... I guess if I could amend my list, there would be one more to add:
Do not forget theses rules.
Six Degrees of Separation
· 11 months ago
Oswego-
The antics of the last 6 years show why no one - not the Gov, not MJM - should have, or be given, absolute power. This is a representative democracy, not some feudal monarchy. That it has taken this long to slowly start righting the ship is an argument that power needs to be diffused and balanced in this state, not concentrated more.
lake county democrat
· 11 months ago
Sorry Rich, I don't think the voters are going to be keen on giving Mike Madigan complete control of Illinois. Plus, Lisa Madigan's reputation among thinking people who paid any attention to her ridiculous attempt to twist the state constitution like a nose of wax must have taken a hit.
Unless Mike Madigan's endgame was to revive the Illinois Republican party, in which case he's a Gary Kasparov.
being there
· 11 months ago
The view from the gallery of the House today was what I thought it would be. It was like being there when pull the plug on someone. You felt numb when the voting was closed. I do not know what I really want cheering or what. It was the first step. I hope the Senate will put an end to this nightmare soon.
Anonymous45
· 11 months ago
I'll say it again: Mike Madigan was co-chair of Rod's re-election campaign in 2006...did he forward the candidacy just to see the man crumble under the weight of his own ineptitude? Hmmmm makes me wonder...
Oswego Willy
· 11 months ago
The difference, this time for the "Speaker Madigan Rules", and other times we have seen this game played, is that the worthy opponents of the Speaker were rational. The "Speaker Madigan Rules" seem to make perfect sense when dealing with a rational person ... Rod ... well ...the results are the same, the Speaker wins, but look at what Rod left us ...
Levois
· 11 months ago
I think I should learn how to play chess or some strategy game.
How Ironic
· 11 months ago
Shocking. The Gov is late.
How Ironic
· 11 months ago
Oh look. He brought in a person in a wheelchair. What a weasel.
Ms Port Belly Mushroom
· 11 months ago
So, we're going to get third person testimonials as to how the Governor has helped people. Others talking about Rod. Okay.
ZC
· 11 months ago
To quote John Dryden:
Beware the fury of a patient man.
Fan of the Game
· 11 months ago
Expanding on yesterday's QOTD--to the tune of the Cult's "Love Removal Machine"
Fell to the House Chambers to impeach him. Scarlet Governor, he got us to hate him, yeah, yeah. Speaker said, “Remember all those things he did to you. Do you know what I mean, boys? Remember all the pay-to-play?â€
Talking ‘bout the Guv Guv remover Talking ‘bout the Guv Guv Removal Machine
Blago, Blago, Blago, Blago, he’s fallen from grace. Today, today we spit it back in his face. It’s been a statewide reaction, Big smiles and satisfaction. Oh, yeah.
Talking ‘bout the Guv Guv remover Talking ‘bout the Guv Guv Removal Machine.
Black Ivy
· 11 months ago
MJM and his minions will regret this day - the day they caved into "political winds" and succumbed to self-righteous pressure.
Governor Blagojevich may have engaged in questionable conduct, but so have MJM and his many little men and women. Does the Governor's conduct rise to the level of impeachable offenses - NO. Merely "words" not "action" - this is a very bad joke.
For shame, House members, for shame~
How Ironic
· 11 months ago
OMG. I can only wait unit Blago lays hands on the poor person in the wheel chair, and commands her to walk.
playk8
· 11 months ago
What are we made of? Our fathers came across the prairie, fought Indians, fought drought, fought locusts, fought Dix - remember when Richard Dix came in here and tried to take over this town? Well, we didn't give up then, and by gum, we're not gonna give up now.
Scooby
· 11 months ago
Can they schedule another special election before Wednesday so people can vote against Elga Jeffries again?
Eileen Left
· 11 months ago
Rod Bla-gone-a-vich
You Go Boy
· 11 months ago
to How Ironic: Priceless!
The impeachment is step one in scraping the dung from our shoe. The Senate will wrap it up, and God willing, Fitzpatrick will toss it(him) in the can.
this voter will remember
· 11 months ago
Does Elga “Present†Jefferies watch the news or read the paper? Why would she say that she would ask Blagojevich for a job? This makes it appear as though her 'present' vote should be exchanged for a 'favor'.
ProfGKlass
· 11 months ago
Guess who else received money from the horseracing lobby:
Tom Cross $30,000
Lou Lang: $22,00
Susan Mendoza: $2,000 ' Jack Franks: $1,250
Al Riley: $1,000
Ken Dunkin: $500
Deb Halvorson $13,000
do a search on the Illinois campaign contribution website using "Racing" as the donor search term
Six Degrees of Separation
· 11 months ago
Black Ivy,
IL's constitution does not define impeachable offenses like the US Constitution does. Being a bad actor, and turning public support against him, got him impeached. Essentially, our legislators did the same thing the CA voters did to Gray Davis.
Cubs Fan
· 11 months ago
ProfGKlass, what's your point? There's nothing illegal about accepting campaign contributions.
Arthur Andersen
· 11 months ago
BI, impeacheable offenses are whatever the House decided they are, not you or me. They did (after proper legal consultation and deliberation) and then, they did.
Next case.
BTW, you aren't Elga Jefferies, are you?
anon
· 11 months ago
All I heard last night was that this Governor has to be mentally ill. Sure it was political, but Lisa Madigan's immediate move to have Blago removed by the Supremes was brilliant. This saga will drag on far longer and what a shame. The Governor does deserve due process and I guess this is the way it had to go. However, I have a bad feeling about the conclusion with this man Blagojevich. I don't think it is going to be pretty, and possibly tragic. Thank's for trying Lisa. It's definitely turning out that this guy is mentally unstable. All the talkng heads on Cable last night were saying, "This guy is nuts."
been there
· 11 months ago
So, do I get another t-shirt?
Marlictlantee
· 11 months ago
Nothing seems to be easier than seeing someone whom you can help but not helping. I suggest we start giving it a try. Give love to the ones that need it. God will appreciate it.
All Comments
Of course, the smartest guy in Illinois politics v. the dumbest ever, was it really ever a fair fight????
I think he'll go for some Churchill allusions:
"We shall defend our Illinois, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight in the senate, we shall fight in the federal courts, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender. "
Speaker Madigan knows more about what you are going to do, before you know you are going to do it.
Speaker Madigan is, at least, 3 steps ahead of you at any point in your thinking.
If speaker Madigan shows favor upon you, take it.
If Speaker Madigan shows displeasure with you, fix it.
Know when Speaker Madigan "gives" you something, you will give back something, and it will be of the Speaker's choosing.
If the Speaker says no, get over it, and don't go around.
Other than that ...
After his 'fight fight fight' speech last time, perhaps some Knute Rockne..
We're going inside of ‘em, we're going outside of ‘em -- inside of ‘em! outside of ‘em! -- and when we get them on the run once, we're going to keep ‘em on the run.
He shot himself in the foot. I don't think we ever got to see the REAL contest.
That's probably a good thing.
GRod let his ego get in the way, thinking he was all powerful. His penchant for "throwing people under the bus" when they displeased him certainly didn't help his cause. Good leaders don't step on people when they're climbing up the ladder --- because those are the same people that will kick you when you slip.
For Jay Hoffman to vote for the impeachment, says volumes.
I just feel horrible for the Blagojevich girls (Patti not included). To have their father splashed all over worldwide media like this, must be exceptionally painful. I'm sure Ald. Mell will be able to take good care of them while their parents are away!
So, he appoints Patti. It's a part-time gig and she works out something with her current job. He drives the car.
It is unfortunate for the state that we had a meglomaniac at the controls for six years, who the legislators needed to deal with, but couldn't rationally be dealt with.
I happen to think that even he was overwhelmed by the self destructive greed of the Blago corruption machine. As smart as the Speaker is, one guy brought down this Governor and his name is Patrick Fitzgerald.
Do not forget theses rules.
The antics of the last 6 years show why no one - not the Gov, not MJM - should have, or be given, absolute power. This is a representative democracy, not some feudal monarchy. That it has taken this long to slowly start righting the ship is an argument that power needs to be diffused and balanced in this state, not concentrated more.
Unless Mike Madigan's endgame was to revive the Illinois Republican party, in which case he's a Gary Kasparov.
It was like being there when pull the plug on someone. You felt numb when the voting was closed.
I do not know what I really want cheering or what.
It was the first step. I hope the Senate will put an end to this nightmare soon.
Beware the fury of a patient man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vneFS48Z4Ws
Fell to the House Chambers to impeach him.
Scarlet Governor, he got us to hate him, yeah, yeah.
Speaker said, “Remember all those things he did to you.
Do you know what I mean, boys?
Remember all the pay-to-play?â€
Talking ‘bout the Guv
Guv remover
Talking ‘bout the Guv
Guv Removal Machine
Blago, Blago, Blago, Blago, he’s fallen from grace.
Today, today we spit it back in his face.
It’s been a statewide reaction,
Big smiles and satisfaction. Oh, yeah.
Talking ‘bout the Guv
Guv remover
Talking ‘bout the Guv
Guv Removal Machine.
Governor Blagojevich may have engaged in questionable conduct, but so have MJM and his many little men and women. Does the Governor's conduct rise to the level of impeachable offenses - NO. Merely "words" not "action" - this is a very bad joke.
For shame, House members, for shame~
The impeachment is step one in scraping the dung from our shoe. The Senate will wrap it up, and God willing, Fitzpatrick will toss it(him) in the can.
Tom Cross $30,000
Lou Lang: $22,00
Susan Mendoza: $2,000
'
Jack Franks: $1,250
Al Riley: $1,000
Ken Dunkin: $500
Deb Halvorson $13,000
do a search on the Illinois campaign contribution website using "Racing" as the donor search term
IL's constitution does not define impeachable offenses like the US Constitution does. Being a bad actor, and turning public support against him, got him impeached. Essentially, our legislators did the same thing the CA voters did to Gray Davis.
Next case.
BTW, you aren't Elga Jefferies, are you?
I suggest we start giving it a try. Give love to the ones that need it.
God will appreciate it.