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Did I fail to mention that Six (and Eighty) are right?
Oh! There's one! Gotta go! lol
Kirk has that seat until they map him out before the '12 elections, which is what this statewide talk is really about.
Something to the tune perhaps of "Mama Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up To Be Cowboys"?
The wack jobs don't need any encouragement or ideas.
If he keeps this up he had best hope to be re-elected to his current Congressional seat.
If he "tones it down" then he gets no real MSM. Why do pundits feel that "moderate" politicians must engage in extreme politeness all the time?
This is making threats of violence against a freakin' governor.
Not to sound shrill, but Congressmen have been forced to stepped down from office for less.
"unreal": Absolutely; if an ordinary citizen said something like this, he/she'd be having visits from law enforcement.
Don't these 'public figures' have any concept of personal responsibility anymore?
Perhaps because at some point one has to be responsible for what falls out of one's mouth? Politeness? Can you imagine the uproar and snide comments if such remarks tumbled out of all who have something to take a stand on--example: Labor workers under contracts ready to 'shoot' anyone...blah blah? Being responsible when one speaks to the public or has a mic under his nose should just be simple common sense. One would hope to think that a point verbally can be made of your views short of hyper drama.
QOTD: Did anyone go to a Tea Party yesterday? I went to Chicago and what a large number of people. For a Democratic town there sure were a lot of protesters.
I don't know much about him and I doubt most Illinoisians outside his district do. He needs some statewide exposure sans the silly off the cuff remarks. Democrats are probably getting kind of nervous about 2010. The primary could be nasty. The economy will likely still be struggling. The Blago trial will still be in the news...or even ongoing during the election. The Republicans have some opportunities here if they could just lose their self destructive impulses.
Not if he is going to ban assault weapons!
Quinn wants to raise our income tax by 50%, but Kirk is over the line?
Go back to your tea and crumpets ladies!
Kirk is also a guy who never said a peep about the runaway spending and runaway corruption under his political godfather Denny Hastert.
In fact; I suspect that while others may have chosen a different description, my sense is that he has his finger on the pulse of the electorate, and an overwhelming majority will agree with his sentiment, despite the poor choice of words.
As you suggested from your column this past week Rich, the Madigan's are counting on it for the primary.
"Our political and economic freedoms are in jeopardy," State Sen. Chris Lauzen told the Geneva crowd, calling an income tax hike "crippling."
This isn't about political correctness, goofballs. It's about charging the atmosphere with violence.
The Tribune buried the quote near the bottom of the article, so I don't see your point.
You need help.
I disagree with this. It's not a seperate issue. A Leader or one wanting to be should not be excused for his/her choice of words when pressing their views. The country is full of nuts all too willing to 'follow their leader' or what they thought they 'heard' their leader say. A leader (and not just Kirk, all of them) should be able to get his/her views across without chancing violence and/or hate. I'm sure Kirk did not mean citizens should start shooting anybody, but he must learn to speak in a responsible way, people can not 'read' his mind, only hear his words.
If he goes for Gov, he starts at zero dollars making him the prototypical Quinn candidate.
Good heavens! Kirk was saying what is commonly said when people get exasperated over a situation they can't seem to control. Saying that someone will shoot someone over something has been a common phrase in our dialog for generations. What is the matter with you?
How can we have bipartisanship if partisans will not listen to what the other says without arguing over semantics?
So you don't like guns. So you don't like hearing someone saying that someone is going to get shot - when did you people get so ubersensitive and start fainting like Antebellum Scarlett O'Haras?
What a bunch of wussies!
You have that absolutely and completely backwards. You can't use state money for federal campaigns - at least, not yet.
The truth is that when Hastert was in charge, Kirk never met a spending increase he didn't like.
If you can't see the problem here, I would have to ask that question of you.
Seriously, is this the sort of rhetoric you want in your candidate? Go with that, then. I'm sure you'll get far.
It's not political correctness, it's common sense.
Wussies? Stay classy, Einstein. Maybe you can give us a Mitzi Gaynor tune on the taxpayer dime to express yourself.
Many in Chicago came out against Urkel, at least that's what most of their signs said (aka, Todd Stroger) it was a tea party for all taxes
I grew up with a whole bunch of "elders" warning me that they would "shoot" me if I did something wrong. Never took a bullet in my life. No one stuck a gun in my face. No wackos stepped out from behind trees to do me in. It was a common expression that I still hear even today. And Kirk and I are roughly the same age and grew up in the same region of Northern Illinois.
Pulling that comment out of context is my continuing complaint. And it was clearly pulled out of context. He wasn't calling for "violence" towards Quinn or any tax supporters, even inadvertently. No one can seriously say that with a straight face. I'm sure the FBI, CIA and others recognized that quote for what it was and didn't swoop down on Kirk yesterday or today to arrest him or grill him.
Linking him to Keyes? Also way over the top.
But then again, Homeland Security has adopted a report claiming veterans returning from battle will turn into right winged terrorists so they need to be carefully watched or something equally preposterous.
Maybe there was a full moon last night which caused everyone to fall off the reason cliff?
Or is today officially the launch of the political silly season?
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Go back to your tea and crumpets ladies!"
Had to love VMan's note. He managed to offend so many in a few lines and even provided his view that "ladies" is an insult.
And then people in the GOP wonder about the gender-gap.
I keep hearing that "guns don't kill people, people kill people" from the gun people, but when a person actually advocates armed violence, they wave away the very notion that it might be a problem.
Wake up you right wing freaks: "Woman" is not an insult, and advocating gun violence is bad.
Sorry. I still think the whole thing is silly. And I mean REALLY silly!
And, again, good luck with that.
2. Kirk getting remapped out is kind of funny, how exactly are you going to do this? He lives in fort sheridan in the very far northeast corner of the state meaning you'd have to do something that looks proposterous to get rid of him. Putting him in a district with Jan-her politics won't fly in winnetka-I don't think Bean wants to take him on, and Roskam lives too far away.
Plus he's now the only illinois member of congress with any sort of clout on house appropriations other than jesse jackson junior and who knows where that cat ends up.
According to them "An electronic news service that covers outdoor news has even named Obama its "Gun Salesman of the Year.""
There were two plots (lame attempts though they were) on Obama's life broken up before he was elected.
The DHS released a report written by a Bush holdover the other day about radical rightwing terrorist groups and their recruitment efforts. There wasn't anything shocking about it, the DHS does these assessments periodically, they released one of radical leftist groups not so long ago. Nothing shocking except for the rightwing hysteria directed against DHS by major broadcasters like Rush Limbaugh and lunatics all over the net.
A 23 year old man wearing body armor, armed with a AK-47, another rifle, and a .357 magnum in Pittsburgh killed three cops in cold blood, shot two of them in the face, and murdered another who came to help them respond to domestic disturbance call on April 4th. His "reasoning"? He was afraid Obama was gonna take away his guns.
Michelle Bachman, congresswoman from MN has been spewing violent rhetoric for months now. She wants Republicans to be "armed and dangerous". The Republican governor of TX just yesterday openly speculated about seceding from the Union, calling the federal government oppressive. So not to be outdone in steps Mark Kirk to polish his wingnut bonafides.
Yeah, we'll all just forget about this, it's just silly rhetoric. Sure we will. Until some nut takes a potshot at Obama or Quinn. Then all bets are off folks.
I suggest you guys go read the violent vitriol directed against JFK in the weeks and months before he was shot in Dallas. Then tell me it's all just "harmless" palaver to get Kirk's name in the paper. If political assassination talk and dogwhistling to lunatics is all you have left you don't belong in decent society let alone public office Mr. Kirk.
Since he's in the House, I doubt he did that. lol
"this blog did give Alexi foreign policy bona fides for visiting greece"
Really? I would like to see you prove that. Other than mention that it was Alexi's intent to start building his Foreign Policy resume, I don't think Rich hyped it up in any way.
"slams kirk... for expressing the concerns of most people."
I don't know anyone other than Kirk (and now some of Kirk's loyalists here today) who have ever publicly warned a sitting Governor they were fixin' to get shot. And then expected no consequences.
"Kirk getting remapped out is kind of funny, how exactly are you going to do this?"
"He lives in fort sheridan in the very far northeast corner of the state meaning you’d have to do something that looks proposterous to get rid of him."
Have you seen Congressional District boundaries in Illinois? Heck, you include Ft. Sheridan with Waukegan, and then extend that district down to cover the closer-in and ethnic north/northwest suburbs, and he is as good as gone.
"Plus he’s now the only illinois member of congress with any sort of clout on house appropriations "
You know, we do have this person called the president. And Rahm. I think we have enough clout right now.
Plus, don't you see the irony there of saying one one hand he is railing against wasteful spending, but on the other saying he is really good at wasteful spending?
And I suppose Pat Quinn and Lisa Madigan are not?
This is what I wrote...
===It seems undeniable that Durbin is now helping Giannoulias with his foreign policy chops. ===
No you did not answer the charge that you beat up on Kirk for this, when you gave Alexi unearned foreign policy credentials for his self-funded junket to nowhere and he unlike the entire Democratic party in this state-nice clip of Obama on wttw last night giving up some love for blago-is not responsible for our mess here.
Yes, it is an indictment of the Obama campaign as a massive fraud that the moment he gets into office he goes back to playing old partisan games, issuing a DHS report calling out Right wing groups the same day there's a protest, hiring a hyperpartisan chief of staff-no andy card is rahm and not getting rid of Rove's political shop as promised.
Bad news, Shore.
Bush authorized that report.
It just happened to be delivered late.
Also, the idea that right wing groups are not a threat is interesting, in light of the bombings in Atlanta and in Oklahoma City.
That's part of the reason that we take this stuff seriously. American political extremists have done some horrible things in the past few years, and Kirk is pushing them on.
"It seems undeniable that Durbin is now helping Giannoulias with his foreign policy chops. State treasurers don’t usually get that sort of experience on their own, of course."
If you think Universial health care will result in lower infant mortality rates I have a bridge to sell you in San Francisco. The rates you mentuion have more to do with socio-economic standing than they do with the health care system. We do not have a health care problem we have a health insurance problem! Nobody is refused care and if you live in urban areas you might have to wait in line but health care is free. Cook county (Stroger) does not even ask if you don't produce an insurance card no matter what is the matter and there are some of the best Dr's there than anywhere in the world (Just over worked)And they don't ask for a green card either. Thats why health care is so expensive, the government has stuck it's nose where it does not belong and has taken compitition out of the equasion. So prices soar
We are living in very tense times. A lot of people have lost money, lost their jobs, lost their houses. Not everybody. But people are worried. Business is not good.
Responsible public officials, and I think Kirk is one, have to be very careful in their language. Let's tamp it down. He made a mistake. Let's accept that and move on.
Remember the other day when someone said gay marriage killed Greek culture? You knew how screwed up that was. Let's get real, let's get smart, let's stop moaning and let's do our bit. Many of us have been riding the gravy train for some time.
"He quoted some wacky stats on healthcare saying that we have more NICU specialists than Canada."
I'd hope so, we have ten times the population of Canada.
nervousGOP'r said:
"Nobody is refused care and if you live in urban areas you might have to wait in line but health care is free."
Do you know how many people die because they are denied care their insurance company won't pay for or they can't afford to pay for in this country? Do you know how many people have to declare bankruptcy because of medical bills? Lastly there is no such thing as "free healthcare". Even if poor people can and do get some care, substandard as it is, we all pay for it and the hodgepodge of Medicaid is the most expensive, least efficient way of delivering care in the world. That's hardly anything to brag about.
At least Alan Keyes could sing.