CapitolFax.com: New Yorker profile breaks some new ground *** UPDATED x1 ***
Ghost
· 1 year ago
With Axelrod I would say prescience. He is a pretty sharp guy, and he gave up a a chunk of buisness and influence by not running the campaign. I think he is understating his concerns.
As for Jones, his statement reveals some of the hidden craftiness I think a lot of people do not see in him. Jones may speak simply, but never make the mistake of thinking him simple.
Rich Miller
· 1 year ago
===Jones may speak simply, but never make the mistake of thinking him simple.===
That is exactly right. Too many people look at the color of his skin or hear the way he talks and assume he's not all that bright. They do so at their peril.
anon
· 1 year ago
Rich, What is up with your spell/grammer check this article on obama is full of miss spellings?
wordslinger
· 1 year ago
Lot of good stuff here. The main revelation, from a national perspective, is that Obama is a shrewd, calculating, ambitious man. Quite shocking considering that he came out of nowhere to raise $250 million and roll the Clinton Machine!
In the short-term, I think it's the start of a major re-evaluation of Obama by the Powers That Be prior to the convention. The mantra will be: "What do we really know about him?"
Random thoughts:
-- Toni Preckwinkle will never be nicknamed "The Happy Warrior."
--The South Side community is far from monolithic. There's a new generation coming and some of the old-timers don't like it. Emil seems to be the one who saw it coming when he promoted Obama.
--Axelrod threw Rod under the bus.
--Memo from Barack to Rahm: Ixnay on the AgoBlay connection.
Ghost
· 1 year ago
Word I think Obama has been groomed for a long time by the powers that be for the presidency. It will be interesting to see if Obama continues to play with them or breaks off on his own once he achieves the goal.
Bill
· 1 year ago
Rahm exagerates his own role and the role of the group of "strategists". They met and made suggestions but they, except for Wilhelm, had no role in the decision making. Strategy decisions were all made by another very close knit group. Rahm was too busy at the time being a punk for the Clintons to have played any kind of maajor role.
wordslinger
· 1 year ago
Ghost, by Powers That Be, I was referring to the national media -- New York Times, Washington Post, LA Times, WSJ, CBS, etc. -- as they were referenced in the David Halbestram classic.
They aren't what they used to be, but they'll still play a role in shaping perception this election.
Might be worth a re-read to appreciate how different the media landscape is now.
Skeeter
· 1 year ago
Attached is a line to a Washington Post article on a similar topic.
Maybe Jones' memory is better than mine, but City Hall DID back Dan Hynes, and Blagojevich DID back Blair Hull.
If I'm not mistaken, the notion that Jones somehow neutralized Rod and the Mayor is a little self-aggrandizing.
Rich Miller
· 1 year ago
Not openly, or aggressively.
Wumpus
· 1 year ago
You don't get to Jones' position by being stupid.
Bud Man
· 1 year ago
--Prescience or revisionism?--
Pure revisionism. Does anyone doubt for a second that the same thing would not have been said if Rod's approval ratings were different? This is Axelrod attempting to help distance himself and the campaign from a toxic Governor.
If he really felt that way, why did his firm write a $1,500 check to RRB's campaign fund in June of 2004? Why support his reelection if you had concerns about his governing style? What changed in those two years?
Rich, I hope you and others continue to ask about his close connections to and previous endorsement of the current Governor. I have seen that Wilhelm has already been quoted somewhere, claiming that Rep. Emanuel exagerated his and Obama's role in the campaign. Either way, keep pressing and lets get Obama to comment on the sorry state affairs in our state. A state of affairs, I might add, that Obama helped create and has yet to do anything about.
James the Intolerant
· 1 year ago
I believe the Mayor sat out the Senate race but John Daley was the co-chair of Dan Hynes campaign, along with John Stroger.
is that irish?
· 1 year ago
This was pretty awesome too:
HENDON: Senator, could you correctly pronounce your name for me? I’m having a little trouble with it. OBAMA: Obama. HENDON: Is that Irish? OBAMA: It will be when I run countywide. HENDON: That was a good joke, but this bill’s still going to die. This directory, would that have those 1-800 sex line numbers in this directory? OBAMA: I apologize. I wasn’t paying Senator Hendon any attention. HENDON: Well, clearly, as poorly as this legislation is drafted, you didn’t pay it much attention either. My question was: Are the 1-800 sex line numbers going to be in this directory? OBAMA: Not—not—basically this idea comes out of the South Side community colleges. I don’t know what you’re doing on the West Side community colleges. But we probably won’t be including that in our directory for the students. HENDON: . . . Let me just say this, and to the bill: I seem to remember a very lovely Senator by the name of Palmer—much easier to pronounce than Obama—and she always had cookies and nice things to say, and you don’t have anything to give us around your desk. How do you expect to get votes? And—and you don’t even wear nice perfume like Senator Palmer did. . . . I’m missing Senator Palmer because of these weak replacements with these tired bills that makes absolutely no sense. I . . . I definitely urge a No vote. Whatever your name is.
Rich Miller
· 1 year ago
That was a first bill hazing. I've heard much, much worse.
fed up
· 1 year ago
hendon says worse at church Im Sure. But he is a ladys man
Fan of the Game
· 1 year ago
is that irish?,
Please tell me that is a spoof and that conversation ndid not really happen.
Truthful James
· 1 year ago
Bill
===Strategy decisions were all made by another very close knit group.==
Give us the straight dope, Bill. Not just hints.
VanillaMan
· 1 year ago
I read the entire article, which is a haul. It appears to be very well researched and balanced. The article addresses a number of questions regarding this guy. There appears to be some amazing omissions normally found in these types of presidential nominee portraits; a focus on accomplishments or a battle over mission.
Obama is not presented as mission-focused. This articles instead presents Obama as a political animal, not as an accomplished legislator. So, this is appealing to political junkies or journalists, but it is not very appealing to those of us who expect politicians to actually do something. Instead we see Obama working only towards his next political position successfully. While there is some excitement in recognizing Obama's political skills, when were these skills used for us? What has he accomplished except political success for himself?
While I recognize that being elected is the first step towards doing good work for constituents, the purpose of the election is to get the work done, isn't it? We don't see this with Obama in this article. It is all about his political mission, not ours. This is a problem with politicians eyeing the next higher political office. This is a problem with Obama's claims. Instead of gaining experience and proving his mettle, Obama plots his next campaign and doesn't finish a job.
He didn't get to where he is by accident. He is obviously a shrewd Chicago politician. That may be admirable to some, but political ambition is useless to us without accomplishments or experience.
If he planned all along to run for president, why didn't he show us how capable he was by using the majority status and clout the Democrats have in the US Senate and working? Where is the leadership we would expect to see? We don't even see him try.
If Democrats don't want voters to dwell on silly minutae during this campaign, and wish to achieve a mandate for change, why couldn't they get a candidate that demonstrated change? Instead we are being forced to read articles like this that dwell on his political accomplishments during state senate primaries, read articles about his lifestyle, name, religion, and other issues that should matter little.
We cannot talk about Obama's accomplishments or experience because he doesn't have much of either. Instead we read articles like this one. Although it seems to be a professionally written article, it doesn't tell me what Barack Obama has done that indicates an ability to be president, only an ability to get elected to offices.
Pat collins
· 1 year ago
first bill hazing. I’ve heard much, much worse.
That was pretty good, I'd hate to be on the wrong end of "worse"
ZC
· 1 year ago
The rumor I heard was that Axelrod also took a pass on Blago's initial campaign because he didn't think Blago could win, and he told him so, to his face. But I never heard the reasons why, and certainly Axelrod may have also had reservations about Blago's fitness for governing.
publius
· 1 year ago
to the new yorker cover---lisa madigan's husband's cartoons regularly appear in the new yorker---be interesting to see how she feels about their editorial judgment.
Anonymous45
· 1 year ago
this article is a turning point in the election...no wonder the polls are so close between McCain and Obama...as a former HRC supporter,I still beleive Hillary was more experienced in the ways of DC and how to navigate the shark infested waters than Obama is...I beleive that a very racially charged backlash is going to be promulgated by the GOP and it's minions as the election grows nearer...negative campaigning is used 'cuz it works...gird yourselves folks, we're in for a bumpy ride until Nov. 4th...
Rich Miller
· 1 year ago
I doubt it's a turning point. And if HRC had received the nod, an anti woman prez backlash would've buit aa well. Six of one...
ZC
· 1 year ago
A reminder, too much attention to any McCain-Obama polls in July is misguided.
What do John Kerry, George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush, Mike Dukakis and Hubert Humphrey all have in common? They were all leading in Gallup polls taken in early or mid-July, in elections where they went on to lose the popular vote.
People just aren't paying much attention to the race right now, which is their American right.
Rich Miller
· 1 year ago
===A reminder, too much attention to any McCain-Obama polls in July is misguided.===
Pay zero attention to preznit polls until after both conventions have concluded.
Anonymous45
· 1 year ago
good points as per usual Rich, still, I think this election will go down to the wire......I hate polling, it's more of a way for certain political consultants to make money than to predict outcomes...it does however help candidates to strategize...
Ghost
· 1 year ago
I am not very familair with Emanuel, is he just trying to make his role in Govt larger or to make it look liek he has more juice? Seems like for a friend of Obama he is doing Obama more harm then good.
Rich Miller
· 1 year ago
Yes.
VanillaMan
· 1 year ago
==He attended a few meetings – one was a briefing for legislators. He played the same role in electing a Democratic governor that other Democratic members of the General Assembly did. ==
Interpretation: Let's pretend he did the right thing, if he did anything, that is.
Pat collins
· 1 year ago
Seems like for a friend of Obama he is doing Obama more harm then good.
Well, if I may spin a conspiracy theory, I will note:
1) this was the NEW YORKER magazine.
2) Rahm E. was a Clintonista, and it seems to have done him very well to have been one
3) What is HRC's ONLY hope for the White House? McCain being sworn in in Jan 09.
VanillaMan
· 1 year ago
And I think Emanuel once drove a New Yorker!
Anon
· 1 year ago
Take this for what it's worth, but Rahm is exaggerating and Axelrod is rewriting history.
The campaign had a meeting every sunday night at 7pm so that VIP's could come in and "give and receive input" but it was mostly a charade to handhold high maintenace people. Wilhelm would chair it and there would be a top staff person, but come the next morning that would be the end of that. It was a way to make people feel important and invested but that's about it.
Axelrod had several clients that were considering a run very early on (Blago, Devine, etc.) and was getting questions about who he would be with very early in 2001 and he voluntarily took himself out of the race before the field even took shape. It wasn't that he was worried about Blagojevich, he just had too many conflicts. Someone with a Nexis account could easily verify this.
DaveChgo
· 1 year ago
VM, there's no interpretation - it's a fact. Rahm overstated his and Barack's role. But it never happened that way. These were briefing sessions for legislators. Not strategy sessions. Barack had no more role in the general election of Rod Blagojevich than any other Dem legislator. It's a shame Rahm sees the need to feed his own ego at the expense of Barack.
fed up
· 1 year ago
National polls are useless, the election comes down to about 5-7states and that is all that will matter.
Captain America
· 1 year ago
I'm a huge Obama supporter - and I'm certainly not shocked that he could be accurately portrayed as "shrewd, calculating, and ambitious." Ho-Hum.
As far as I know, most politicans comepeting for high office can be similarly characterized. They are all "saints and sinners". Obama simply is more charimatic, articulate, and intellignet than many others - an exceptionally able politician.
wordslinger
· 1 year ago
May the Lord of Political Correctness forgive me, the cover is brilliant.
Perfect, actually. It takes every boogey-man and disposes of them with all the respect that they deserve.
The best cure for ignorance is to laugh in it's face. Well done.
We're still in America, right?
wordslinger
· 1 year ago
Rahm's comments about Barack are curious. But make no mistake: He's money, and is going to be a big makker in the next Congress.
The dude made millions in two years between the Clinton's and Congress. A serious man with really no place to go. Dangerous.
All Comments
As for Jones, his statement reveals some of the hidden craftiness I think a lot of people do not see in him. Jones may speak simply, but never make the mistake of thinking him simple.
That is exactly right. Too many people look at the color of his skin or hear the way he talks and assume he's not all that bright. They do so at their peril.
What is up with your spell/grammer check this article on obama is full of miss spellings?
In the short-term, I think it's the start of a major re-evaluation of Obama by the Powers That Be prior to the convention. The mantra will be: "What do we really know about him?"
Random thoughts:
-- Toni Preckwinkle will never be nicknamed "The Happy Warrior."
--The South Side community is far from monolithic. There's a new generation coming and some of the old-timers don't like it. Emil seems to be the one who saw it coming when he promoted Obama.
--Axelrod threw Rod under the bus.
--Memo from Barack to Rahm: Ixnay on the AgoBlay connection.
Rahm was too busy at the time being a punk for the Clintons to have played any kind of maajor role.
They aren't what they used to be, but they'll still play a role in shaping perception this election.
Might be worth a re-read to appreciate how different the media landscape is now.
http://www.washingtonpost.com
/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/1
3/AR2008071301904.html
If I'm not mistaken, the notion that Jones somehow neutralized Rod and the Mayor is a little self-aggrandizing.
Pure revisionism. Does anyone doubt for a second that the same thing would not have been said if Rod's approval ratings were different? This is Axelrod attempting to help distance himself and the campaign from a toxic Governor.
If he really felt that way, why did his firm write a $1,500 check to RRB's campaign fund in June of 2004? Why support his reelection if you had concerns about his governing style? What changed in those two years?
Rich, I hope you and others continue to ask about his close connections to and previous endorsement of the current Governor. I have seen that Wilhelm has already been quoted somewhere, claiming that Rep. Emanuel exagerated his and Obama's role in the campaign. Either way, keep pressing and lets get Obama to comment on the sorry state affairs in our state. A state of affairs, I might add, that Obama helped create and has yet to do anything about.
HENDON: Senator, could you correctly pronounce your name for me? I’m having a little trouble with it.
OBAMA: Obama.
HENDON: Is that Irish?
OBAMA: It will be when I run countywide.
HENDON: That was a good joke, but this bill’s still going to die. This directory, would that have those 1-800 sex line numbers in this directory?
OBAMA: I apologize. I wasn’t paying Senator Hendon any attention.
HENDON: Well, clearly, as poorly as this legislation is drafted, you didn’t pay it much attention either. My question was: Are the 1-800 sex line numbers going to be in this directory?
OBAMA: Not—not—basically this idea comes out of the South Side community colleges. I don’t know what you’re doing on the West Side community colleges. But we probably won’t be including that in our directory for the students.
HENDON: . . . Let me just say this, and to the bill: I seem to remember a very lovely Senator by the name of Palmer—much easier to pronounce than Obama—and she always had cookies and nice things to say, and you don’t have anything to give us around your desk. How do you expect to get votes? And—and you don’t even wear nice perfume like Senator Palmer did. . . . I’m missing Senator Palmer because of these weak replacements with these tired bills that makes absolutely no sense. I . . . I definitely urge a No vote. Whatever your name is.
Please tell me that is a spoof and that conversation ndid not really happen.
===Strategy decisions were all made by another very close knit group.==
Give us the straight dope, Bill. Not just hints.
Obama is not presented as mission-focused. This articles instead presents Obama as a political animal, not as an accomplished legislator. So, this is appealing to political junkies or journalists, but it is not very appealing to those of us who expect politicians to actually do something. Instead we see Obama working only towards his next political position successfully. While there is some excitement in recognizing Obama's political skills, when were these skills used for us? What has he accomplished except political success for himself?
While I recognize that being elected is the first step towards doing good work for constituents, the purpose of the election is to get the work done, isn't it? We don't see this with Obama in this article. It is all about his political mission, not ours. This is a problem with politicians eyeing the next higher political office. This is a problem with Obama's claims. Instead of gaining experience and proving his mettle, Obama plots his next campaign and doesn't finish a job.
He didn't get to where he is by accident. He is obviously a shrewd Chicago politician. That may be admirable to some, but political ambition is useless to us without accomplishments or experience.
If he planned all along to run for president, why didn't he show us how capable he was by using the majority status and clout the Democrats have in the US Senate and working? Where is the leadership we would expect to see? We don't even see him try.
If Democrats don't want voters to dwell on silly minutae during this campaign, and wish to achieve a mandate for change, why couldn't they get a candidate that demonstrated change? Instead we are being forced to read articles like this that dwell on his political accomplishments during state senate primaries, read articles about his lifestyle, name, religion, and other issues that should matter little.
We cannot talk about Obama's accomplishments or experience because he doesn't have much of either. Instead we read articles like this one. Although it seems to be a professionally written article, it doesn't tell me what Barack Obama has done that indicates an ability to be president, only an ability to get elected to offices.
That was pretty good, I'd hate to be on the wrong end of "worse"
What do John Kerry, George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush, Mike Dukakis and Hubert Humphrey all have in common? They were all leading in Gallup polls taken in early or mid-July, in elections where they went on to lose the popular vote.
People just aren't paying much attention to the race right now, which is their American right.
Pay zero attention to preznit polls until after both conventions have concluded.
Interpretation: Let's pretend he did the right thing, if he did anything, that is.
Well, if I may spin a conspiracy theory, I will note:
1) this was the NEW YORKER magazine.
2) Rahm E. was a Clintonista, and it seems to have done him very well to have been one
3) What is HRC's ONLY hope for the White House? McCain being sworn in in Jan 09.
The campaign had a meeting every sunday night at 7pm so that VIP's could come in and "give and receive input" but it was mostly a charade to handhold high maintenace people. Wilhelm would chair it and there would be a top staff person, but come the next morning that would be the end of that. It was a way to make people feel important and invested but that's about it.
Axelrod had several clients that were considering a run very early on (Blago, Devine, etc.) and was getting questions about who he would be with very early in 2001 and he voluntarily took himself out of the race before the field even took shape. It wasn't that he was worried about Blagojevich, he just had too many conflicts. Someone with a Nexis account could easily verify this.
As far as I know, most politicans comepeting for high office can be similarly characterized. They are all "saints and sinners". Obama simply is more charimatic, articulate, and intellignet than many others - an exceptionally able politician.
Perfect, actually. It takes every boogey-man and disposes of them with all the respect that they deserve.
The best cure for ignorance is to laugh in it's face. Well done.
We're still in America, right?
The dude made millions in two years between the Clinton's and Congress. A serious man with really no place to go. Dangerous.