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Re: Poll: Daley in the dumper

Indpendent — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:22:01 -0000

People were much more tolerant of Daley's corruption and waste when the economy was booming. They had money in their pockets and did not care that Daley's family and friends always got a grossly disproportionate share of the pie. Now people are squeezed between frozen salaries (if they're lucky) and all sorts of rising city fees. Stories of City Hall scandal and waste that used to be quickly forgotten now raise their ire. Even arcane issues like TIFs are coming under the magnifying glass.

I don't see any other vision or even a simple Plan B from Daley outside of winning the 2016 Olympics. He is obsessed with winning them as he believes they are a panacea for Chicago's ills. If he does not get his Olympics I think he will be personally devastated and call it quits in 2011.

Re: Poll: Daley in the dumper

ZC — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:03:27 -0000

I have no problem believing the poll's results, but of course you have to take it with a grain of salt without knowing more about its construction. That's just true of any _one_ poll, whether it's commissioned by pros, or by cranks. Skepticism is always in order. When I see this result replicated by other professional outfits, I'll take it steadily more seriously.

The economy stinks. This is the first really nasty economy Daley has faced since he became Mayor. He's had great political timing to preside over a 90s boom and a '00 housing boom, with mild recessions inbetween. That general economic climate always padded his numbers up, is my bet. He's benefited from a lot of factors that he never caused.

Now it looks like he might get shelled for a lot of reasons but including things outside his control. Welcome to politics.

Re: Poll: Daley in the dumper

dan l — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:35:37 -0000

Yeah. Because the Wilson Yard Movement has been sooooooo successful.

You guys couldn't even get enough people to oust Schiller, amirite?

Be honest: The only thing those folks have managed to do is wear out the T, I, and F on their keyboards.

Re: Poll: Daley in the dumper

Brennan — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:05:09 -0000

This is what "nobody cares" looks like.

http://www.fixwilsonyard.org/

Re: Poll: Daley in the dumper

dan l — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:04:12 -0000

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Maybe the citizens are getting wise that the reason Daley keeps raising taxs and cutting city services is that he shifted such a huge portion of the property tax moneis to TIF funds for his developer friends.
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Not a chance. Nobody cares.

Re: Poll: Daley in the dumper

Rich Miller — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:44:12 -0000

===Interesting===

Bite me.

Re: Poll: Daley in the dumper

fed up — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:40:14 -0000

Rich this is the second poll and story about SEIU you have run since SEIU became an advertiser. Interesting

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fed up — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:34:48 -0000

Maybe the citizens are getting wise that the reason Daley keeps raising taxs and cutting city services is that he shifted such a huge portion of the property tax moneis to TIF funds for his developer friends. People are begining to realize in Chicago we are paying more for less police.fire, snow removal pothole repairs and schools because Daley is using the money that is supposed to pay for those services(property Taxs) and giving it to his developer friends to get rich. Daley and his rubber stamp city council need to go.

Re: Poll: Daley in the dumper

Phineas J. Whoopee — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:43:19 -0000

I am surprised Daley's approval numbers are as high as they are. I really don't know anyone who likes the guy anymore.

I was by the 6 corners shopping area on the Northwest side a few weeks back and couldn't believe how dilapidated it was with virtually every other store boarded up. To quadruple the cost to park on the street in this area is fatal. This parking meter fiasco will cripple this city for a hundred years.

The list from The Doc at 9:19 is quite accurate. Someone like Paul Vallas could mount a strong campaign.

Re: Poll: Daley in the dumper

dan l — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:30:22 -0000

Probably has something to do with the fact that we've got a variety of fiscal issues, meanwhile Richy is busy planning one big expensive party in 2016. It makes him seem a little.....aloof.

I think the average person gets that we shouldn't let our current situation dictate the Olympics thing (or at least, would be willing to admit that our situation today is not indicative of what our situation will be in 2016) but in popular perception, that logic isn't being executed.

Re: Poll: Daley in the dumper

JonShibleyFan — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:20:35 -0000

===Every time we run a poll,...===

I wasn't intending to come off as questioning the poll. I'm typically one of the first to rhetorically roll my eyes at people who do.

I'll be interested to see the results as they release more.

Re: Poll: Daley in the dumper

disgusted — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:15:42 -0000

Daley is not without his faults, but chicago is one of the most livable cities in the world and visitors remark about this a lot downtown...try living in St Louis or Detroit or Philly for a while...there is a huge difference in overall cleanliness, open space & the lake, great museums and sports facilities, % young professionals, restaurants and blues clubs...... Chicago is my kind of town and Daley has had just something to do with that. Is there another city you would rather live in?

Re: Poll: Daley in the dumper

IrishPirate — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:14:57 -0000

I loathe Daley and his Bubbly Creek mercury addled brain. I personally find him to be the most overrated Mayor in America.

That being said you can't beat SOMEBODY with nobody.

Now Barack Obama could have run and beat the Mayor, but he seems happy in lesser office. So that leaves.........?

Perhaps Roland Burris will run in 2011 after he gets trounced in the 2010 primary. Ray Wardingly, the actual clown from the 19th Ward, could run if he is still alive. Clown V Clown.

There ain't nobody else who could take on "da mare". Jesse Junior has his own problems and will have little appeal outside a segment of the black community.

Perhaps Joe Moore from Rogers Park could run a campaign to save the poultry.

Re: Poll: Daley in the dumper

Cosmic Charlie — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:06:30 -0000

I believe the poll is accurate or at least in the ball park. People are angry right now on many levels and any sitting office holder is gonna feel it to some degree or another. I do not, however, believe that it means the Mayor is vulnerable. The lack of a strong opponent, the inability of the hispanic and african-american communities to unite politically, and the strong support the Mayor has in the business community all make Daley nearly invincible. SEIU seems to be trying to rattle the Mayor's cage a little bit to make him deal with them as a real player in the management of the City. But my guess is this will add up to nada and the Mayor will continue to ignore them and easily win reelection if he choses to run.

Re: Poll: Daley in the dumper

Anonymous45 — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:01:09 -0000

I agree with JSF: if the Olympics go elsewhere, RMD has little to look forward to, and if the Mrs. health has taken a turn for the worse, he is going to take the time to be there for her...that said, I still can't think of a viable candidate that will run against him, except Vallas running as a Republican...

Re: Poll: Daley in the dumper

Rich Miller — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:50:28 -0000

Every time we run a poll, some wiseacre just has to say "Well, I don't believe it because..."

This is a professional pollster, people. Take a breath.

Re: Poll: Daley in the dumper

JonShibleyFan — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:43:47 -0000

Folks, Rahm and Daley are allies. Geez, straighten your politics out.

The weighting strikes me as a bit hinky. The black vs white figure isn't so outrageous - the actual population numbers are close to even, though while white voters give him similarly bad numbers, don't expect white ethnics to vote in droves for a black progressive. That just isn't all that likely.

The number of 18-44 voters strikes me as disproportionately high --Obama effect or not.

But none of this makes me too quick to outright dismiss the numbers. The guy's been getting absolutely pummeled in the press, and the economy, locally and nationwide, is in the crapper.

That said, I'd still lay odds in his favor if he decides to make another go at it.

I think his decision will be made largely based on; 1) the IOC decision, and 2) Maggie's health outlook (and hey, classy timing on the release of these numbers, BTW!).

Re: Poll: Daley in the dumper

Yellow Dog Democrat — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:42:23 -0000

P.S. If you want to ignore the SEIU poll, go ahead and do so: ignorance is bliss.

But if you want the rest of us to ignore it, the Daley lovers should just chip in $500 a piece and commission your own poll.

I look forward to seeing the results.

Re: Poll: Daley in the dumper

Yellow Dog Democrat — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:40:31 -0000

=== No polls sponsored by SEIU about Daley is going to be honest. ===

et al:

Don't blame the messenger. You think the poll is cooked? Show us the flaw, or conduct your own poll.

Atleast give us some qualitative reason why you think more than 41% of Chicagoans SHOULD think that Daley is doing a good job or more than 34% SHOULD think the city is headed in the right direction.

Frankly, I think Daley should be thrilled that 2 in 5 Chicagoans think he's doing a good job, especially when only 1 in 3 think the city is headed in the right direction.

Lost in this analysis is the fact that many people are relatively new to the city. If you've only been following Daley for the last 10 years, and don't remember what Chicago was like when he took over, you have a very different opinion.

I'm guessing that's why he does better among 18-44 y.o.'s (born here) and 60+ (lived whole life here) than middle-aged folks.

That crosstab would have been useful.

As for the political implications:

Its simply too early to tell. Getting rid of Daley always seems like a great idea to about 40% of voters, until they really start examining the alternative.

But if Daley isn't freaked out by the lack of support among seniors, he should be.

As for the City Council polling, that number is pretty useless. Without knowing specific ward data (the sample size is too small for that) or atleast regional crosstabs, and how voters feel about their own alderman, it doesn't tell us much about 2011, except that any tools in the toolbox shouldn't be counting on Daley's coattails to carry them.

Re: Poll: Daley in the dumper

The Doc — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:29:34 -0000

Rahm Emanuel is a well-documented product off the Machine assembly line. There's perhaps no one less likely to mount a mayoral challenge to Daley.

Re: Poll: Daley in the dumper

Al Swearengen — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:11:01 -0000

Lakefront Liberal â€“
You are absolutely right that that there is no â€œethical problemâ€ at play here. SEIU or any other special interest group has the right to disseminate whatever they want. Just as I have the right to not believe a word of it.

Re: Poll: Daley in the dumper

Take It Easy — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:03:54 -0000

Fedup Dem . . . Rahm Emanuel . . . are you serious?

That guy stutters almost as badly as Daley.

Re: Poll: Daley in the dumper

Brennan — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:51:19 -0000

Lakefront Liberal: Would you provide an assist and make a formal request to the SEIU-Illinois to publicly disclose the full raw data of the poll they commissioned?

Disclosure in support of fostering the public discourse appears to me to present the ideal pivot in raising awareness in public opinion and creating a healthy environment for discussing our political system.

Re: Poll: Daley in the dumper

HV in HP — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:49:01 -0000

RMD would have to be caught with a live boy or a dead girl in order to lose reelection.

Re: Poll: Daley in the dumper

BannedForLife — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:47:03 -0000

"The basic, and perhaps only way, that Alderman retain their seats is through the TIFs the Mayorâ€™s office creates."

A portion of every TIF dollar expended by the City makes its way into aldermanic campaign coffers. But a much more significant incumbency tool for aldermen is the good old fashioned traditional selling of zoning changes.