DISQUS

anon · 3 years ago

If Stroger maintains his lead David Axelrod will be perceived as a has been.

True-Blueandthankful · 3 years ago

It looks to me like a Big-Blue victory; the Democrats showed up, and the Republicans did well also. Nevertheless, I think Topinka looks very, very weak and vulnerable going into the general election. As for the Democrats, the Governor did very well; it is a dominant win for a person who is "supposedly" in-trouble. Congratulations to everyone who worked and or voted. I am glad to see that turn out numbers for the "D's" are larger than the "R's". Last night was Excellent.

DOWNSTATE · 3 years ago

Well I have read 3 papers and they all tell a different story.My take is for a guy that was only suppose to get 20% if he was lucky E.E. done good and it showed the governor is weak and how many now will change over to Topinka.Even more what will happen to all these inveastigations on AROD.Oh all you EXPERTS with all your per centage preditions no one got it right.

Anonymous · 3 years ago

Nothing happened last night to change the fact that Ol Blah-Blah will not be our governor in 2007. He still will be a POA in several investigations. He will add the POA designation during one, maybe two, more investigations of his corrupt and incompetent asdministration. He will be running against a real candidate who wants to win.

Yep, last night was very good news for taxpayers of Illinois. The light at the end of Rod's tunnel is the Polish Express coming to save us.

Anonymous · 3 years ago

Still more Illinoisians DISAPPROVE of the current governor.

An Impartial Observer · 3 years ago

A quick Google search reveals Rod's margin of victory in the 2002 General Election was 7% +/-. The fact that 30% of his own party does not support him for re-election must be disturbing to them. I believe the R's will rally behind JBT. IND'S will split. What sticks out the most is how will the 30% of D's that are dissatisfied go in November. If the last election is any clue (beat a Ryan by only 7%); Rod can't afford to lose any support.

DOWNSTATE · 3 years ago

OBERSEVER more people will vote in next election than this one and the way he uses and tosses people you know he will loose more support.Now a new study is telling how he is letting the sportsman and outdoor people down by wanting to shut IDNR down.Go to www.afsme31.org. and read the whole thing it is really sad.Plus I think a lot of Dems will switch over out of anger for this man.

the wonderboy · 3 years ago

I was most surprised by the Republican primary for governor...numbers didn't split as most thought they would. Gidwitz at 11% with the millions he spent and the Trib endorsement...very surprising.

By the way Impartial Observer...I don't know if your analysis is very accurate. Why should Rod be concerned about 30% going for EE? There is no reason to think that the Dems won't rally behind him based on your assumptions that the Reps will rally around JBT. The way I see it, Rod is just as likely to bring his party behind him as JBT is to get the staunch conservatives to show up in November for her. The fact is, both have to mend some fences within their own party if they want to win, but right now Rod has the $$$ to make his work a whole lot easier.

Shallow Pharnyx · 3 years ago

I was saddened that Blago got as many votes as he did in the southern counties. I was hoping Sangamon County would send a message to the man who is too good to live in Springfield.

Poltical Hack · 3 years ago

Rich; It ws apparent that this blog was NOT the place to be if one wanted information on races last night. I was disappointed. I guess you spent more time on TV and radio than you did here. Hopefully, that will change for the General. Just offering constructive criticism,

Realist · 3 years ago

I think the results do reflect some degree of vulnerability for Blagojevich, but it shouldn't be overstated. After all, Jack Roeser got 26% against Edgar in 1994, who went on to win in a landslide. So the fact that Eisendrath got 3-4% more isn't that significant. There is always a protest vote to some degree. Of course, Eisendrath ran what was probably the worst statewide Democratic campaign in recent memory. If "Not Blagojevich" were on the ballot instead of EE, Blago probably would have won by a lot less. So there definitely is some dissatisfaction on the Democratic side. But there is plenty of conservative disgruntlement on the Republican side, as well. Bottom line--if there are no major indictments and Meeks stays out, Blago probably wins because of the inherent Democratic advantage in the state and his money. But if either one of those two things happens, Topinka wins. I'd say the probabilty of at least one of those things happening is greater than 50% so I'd bet on Topinka right now. However, if Meeks doesn't jump in, then Blago's chances improve with each day that passes without a major indictment.

Cassandra · 3 years ago

It's all up to Judy and her team now. They can do it but it is going to be extremely tough. Hope she has a good campaign manager. She's not running against junior Brady and wacky Oberweis any more. Blagojevich, like "W", is an empty suit but he comes across well on the hustings as we saw again last night during his victory speech.

Perhaps later we should have a thread with recommendations for both campaigns.

SenorAnon · 3 years ago

Anon 5:50, way to kick off the post with a goofy, senseless entry. If I have to explain why, you obviously aren't too informed.

Downstate, the polls had Eisendrath exactly where he was (last poll had him at 28%, he got 29%), and they were taken before a $1 million tv buy.

Anon 6:15, she Czech.

Realist, don't forget 1.4 million Illinoisans voted for Alan Keyes in last year's general, and while comparing primaries to general elections isn't apt, I will suggest that Eisendrath's 30% might be more likely to vote for Judy than Oberweis' 31%.

Anon · 3 years ago

Good column by John Kass this morning. Check it out. Sadly, thanks to Edgar the Hamlet, Illinois has lost a legislative gem in Steve Rauschenberger. And thanks to Bill "I'm not a team player" Brady, Republicans lost the primary to a liberal. Jerk.

Anon · 3 years ago

SenorAnon,

Eisendrath's supports are more likely to vote for Topinka than Blago, because Judy IS A LIBERAL!

B Hicks · 3 years ago

I doubt that Mr. Meeks takes a shot at the title, and as far as an indictment, it would have to be a direct hit on the Gov. Some agency director’s chief of staff getting called on the carpet isn’t going to cut it.

However, I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that Mr. Roser and crew were taking a good close look at the conservative turn out. Wouldn’t that be something if a 3rd party conservative ticket got formed all of the sudden.

Bill Baar · 3 years ago

EE's vote is significant. A lot of unhappy Dems, and a lot of Dems in Cook have always been comfortable with JBT. She and Birket need to plunge into the City and chip away at the city vote.

They're both capable of doing that and it pays benefits in the burbs too

Anon · 3 years ago

Let's start a write-in campaign for Obie! YEAH!

Old Elephant · 3 years ago

As a Republican, I'm not disappointed by the results.

When was the last time a sitting Governor lost ANY counties to a challenger in the primary and then went on to win the General Election? (Especially to a underfunded challenger with virtually no name recognition outside of Cook County)

Blagojevich is in serious trouble downstate and probably can't win the region back -- he'll have to concentrate on a few pockets of support and really push for a big turnout in Chicago.

Topinka has weathered the attacks. She'll need to toughen up a little in the General, but I don't think it will be as hard to unite the party as some people think -- most Brady and Gidwitz supporters are already there and probably a majority of Oberweis supporters are too.

The Republican legislative leaders got the candidates they needed for the General election. Sue Simpson's decisive win gives her the upper hand in the general. The Dems will play there because they don't have many options, but won't have much credibility.

Despite the media's fawning over her candidacy, Duckworth barely won. No reason to think Henry Hyde's seat will change parties.

The "Greek Guy's" victory leaves the Dems with an all-Cook County ticket and Radogno facing a candidate with serious ethical issues in the year when ethics will be on everyone's minds.

Zinga gets a rematch against Evans and this time around, she's been vindicated by recent news articles that raise the possibility that Evans really is too ill to continue in Congress.

All-in-all, as I said, I'm not disappointed. Seems like the Republicans came out of it with the "best case" scenario. Won't be easy, but given the alternatives, this looks pretty good.

An Observer · 3 years ago

The endorsement of Will County labor continues to be a jinx for candidates who get it. Labor endorsed candidates Mike Turk and Lance Peterson went down in flames as have almost all the candidates labor has endorsed in the last 3-5 years.

Abdul · 3 years ago

The fact that 30% of Democratic primary chose someone else other than their incumbent Governor says quite a bit. If I were Blago, I would worry big time, if I didn't get indicted first by the U.S. Attorney's Office. And don't be surprised if George walks.

Bill Baar · 3 years ago

Blagojevich is in serious trouble downstate and probably can’t win the region back — he’ll have to concentrate on a few pockets of support and really push for a big turnout in Chicago.

Exactly, and Topinka the friend of Bobby Rush
should be looking at ways to chip away at that overwhelming city vote. This can be done.

Just saw her a few mins ago on CLTV. She responded to question about ties to George Ryan and she said that hits been taken. I think she's right. It's past.

YNM · 3 years ago

Oh, Anon 7:24 ... I figured those comments had to start flying at some point. I, for one, and pleased Brady continued in the campaign. You can call him spoiler, jer, "not good for the party" or whatever.

I'll concede that I was impressed with the turnout for oberweis. Scared a bit by it too, and I'm being serious with that statement.

I'll gladly get behind Judy in this. If a good percentage of the GOP base turns out for her and she can get some of the unhappy Dems (which by the way oberweis NEVER could have accomplished) then we've got a chance.

Rather than turning to name-calling and blaming, I'll congratulate the candidates on a hard-fought race. At their core, they are all good people who had good goals for the state, and while I don't agree with all of them on everything, I applaud them for their involvement in the democratic process.

Pat collins · 3 years ago

I am surprised at how badly Rita Mullins lost. Not even close.

As for EE, let's face it, getting 30% isn't really much. I'd get 30%. So would mickey mouse.

Skeeter · 3 years ago

Somebody above said that nobody got the EE story right,
Actually, based on the numbers, Skeeter was nearly right. I said 28%. The latest numbers show 29%.

Two big stories:

1. The decline of the influence of the far right in the ILGOP. Salvi was whipped by McSweeney. Oberweis and Brady got kicked around. I give credit where credit is due. The ILGOP looks liked it learned from the Keyes affair. Illinois is not Georgia. Illinois does not vote for the right wing extremists.

2. The other story is the lack of influence of Speaker Madigan. The State Treas. race was not even close. Blago, no pal of Speaker Madigan, won easily.

Incidently, to those who claim that the 29% is a bad sign for Blago in the fall: Sorry, but that is not the case. I voted for EE and although I might have voted for Gidwitz, there is no way that I will vote for a team that includes Birkett. Blago will win 53 - 47 or better. The Dems will unite behind him in November, even if he was not the first choice of some of us in March.

We will see how it plays out, but Illinois Republicans should be pleased that they have taken the party back from the dingbats on the far right.

DOWNSTATE · 3 years ago

Just got back from breakfast and I wasn't sure if it was a eaten joint or a political headquarters.Four Dems who voted for E.E. said they were going for Judy.Repubs I talked to said it was time for Judy.

Bodykula · 3 years ago

Shallow Pharnyx, your quote of "I was saddened that Blago got as many votes as he did in the southern counties. I was hoping Sangamon County would send a message to the man who is too good to live in Springfield." You've got to realize, very few State workers will put their jobs in jeopardy by declaring a party for the primary. I have many friends that are State workers. About a month ago, I asked them to take a verbal poll to see how many of their coworkers would vote in the primary. Out of 86 people asked 82 said they would not vote for fear of repercussions if the powers that be, found out how they voted. These were employees from SPSA's (high senior management to union employees). Unless that law gets changed, I fear downstate employees won't risk their jobs for a vote.

Anon · 3 years ago

Old Elephant,
Charlie are you looking for a job on the Topinka campaign?

Backyard Conservative · 3 years ago

Thanks to Brady for running a positive, principled conservative campaign. I am also thankful Oberweis will not be the face of the party. We would be worse off. Also,might be a chance for Republicans to retain the Treasurer spot in the fall. Did a couple of posts on the results.

Old Elephant · 3 years ago

anon 8:17. I'm afraid I don't get your reference. Who is "Charlie?"

BTW, I have a job and it's not with any of the candidates.

One final comment: Did anyone notice that Eisendrath got more votes than Oberweis?

Daniel · 3 years ago

Hmmmm.... me thinks had Oberweis nailed home the illegal immigrant theme a bit stronger - given folks a REASON to venture to the polls - inspire the ethnic vote - he may have just pulled it out.... sadly, he was cowered by the likes of nattering crows....

Anon · 3 years ago

The ONLY thing we have to thank Bill Brady for is handing the nomination to a liberal. A vote for Bill Brady was a vote for Judy Baar Topinka. Bill is not a team player. He wasn't out to bring back the governor's mansion to conservatives; he did this to feed his power-tripping ego. Or he was put up to it by Judy. Either way, it's bad.

the Other Anonymous · 3 years ago

So far, the big criticism of Alexi Giannoulias has been that he's from Cook County, leaving the Dems with an all-Cook County ticket.

That may be, but his opponent in the general is also from a Cook County suburb, as is the GOP candidate for Governor. The downstaters on the GOP ticket are running against current statewide officeholders who are pretty popular downstate.

I'm not quite sure how effectively the GOP can raise the Cook County issue.

Of course, there are some Republicans who seem obsessed with hjating Cook County and Chicago residents. Those folks are never going to vote for a Democrat. But I can't see the residency question being raised in a way that persuades swing voters.

Daniel · 3 years ago

Note to Backyard....

perhaps you missed the results, but Jim SWAMPED your establishment lackey.... seems quite a bit of folks intended for Jim to be that very face....

Daniel · 3 years ago

Hmmmm.... Judy.... great!.... yahoo!!!.... another in a long line a tepid republicrat hacks.... yippie!.... boy, I'm excited....

ZC · 3 years ago

I know that crossover voting is supposed to be a myth, but they were talking up the possibility of crossover voting in suburban Cook for Claypool last night. If true, to any extent, that might explain at least a few points of Edwin Eisendrath's vote - not Democratic discontent, but anti-Stroger Republicans putting in their two cents.

As for Judy ... If I were Rod, I have two questions for her now.

1) Are you planning on marching this year, personally, in the Chicago gay pride parade?

2) If the Supreme Court in the next five years strikes down Roe v. Wade, do you favor an absolute right for a woman to have an abortion in the first two trimesters?

I can see how Judy can appeal to crossover Democrats, but unify the Republicans in this state? C'mon.

Skeeter · 3 years ago

I must add Denny Driscoll to the long list of right wingers losing last night. That was a big loss for the radical anti-abortion folks, who were once again rejected by Illinois voters.

For all the talk of power by the Jill Staneks of Illinois, once again it was shown that she offers nothing more than hate-filled rants, and has no power of any sort in Illinois.

Backyard Conservative · 3 years ago

Oberweis is tone-deaf politically and would have been branded an extremist in the fall, giving all Republicans a bad name, with no chance for any legitimate issues to emerge.

O6 · 3 years ago

Am I the only one who thinks Mangeri's candidacy was simply a sop to downstate county chairs? The Dem. powers that be knew from day one that big-bucks Giannulius was getting in the race and Daddy's money would carry him--thus, no real problem in slating down-stater Mangeri and simply letting him lose. All "efforts" to the contrary were less than serious. Downstate Dems were simply stuffed one more time.

DOWNSTATE · 3 years ago

ZC wheter you like it or not a lot of politicans court the gay community.Blago even done some campagining at one of there meetings.As far as abortions that starts in the General Assembly.In other words they have to write the law first.

Gregor Samsa · 3 years ago

I woke up to the final results...

Was I a republican who dreamed I was a democrat, or a democrat who dreamed he was a republican?

I'm an Eisendrath supporter who is going to vote for Judy over Blagojevich, because he bugs me too much.

YNM · 3 years ago

Daniel ... while it appears many wanted Jim to be the face, that doesn't mean we all had to want that.

So, Brady was in it to kill Obe's chances - just all selfish motives. Tell me again why Oberweis was in it?

Veritas · 3 years ago

With the number of conservatives destined to sit out the general, Judy will have to depend upon the crossover of disaffected dems to pull this one off in the fall. Anyone who supports the republican party's stand on abortion, gun rights and family values has no one to vote for in the fall.

Daniel · 3 years ago

Backyard,

Perhaps if you haven't the stomach for politics.... I quite don't understand your ilk.... oh, wait, yes I do.... if you haven't the spine - step aside.... if being called nasty names upsets you, may I suggest you undertake a different hobby.... yours is so typical of the IL *ahem* "conservative"

Yellow Dog Democrat · 3 years ago

If Blagojevich is smart, he'll register 25-50,000 African Americans and send about seven mail pieces that remind them Topinka wants to reinstate the death penalty without further reforms -- and then explain early voting.

Heck, why not remind them that as a statewide officerholder, Topinka failed to support legislation to end racial profiling?

As State Treasurer, did she support the earned income tax credit? This list goes on and on....

Barring an indictment in Blagojevich's inner circle, this race is over before it starts.

Daniel · 3 years ago

YNM,

.... so, tell me, what EXACTLY did you end up with?....

DOWNSTATE · 3 years ago

YDD AFTER CHILDREN BEING SHOT IN THE STREETS OF ILLINOIS THE DEATH PENALTY MIGHT BE LOOKING GOOD TO SOME PEOPLE.AT 30% RUNNING FROM BLAGO IT IS NOT GOING TO BE HARD TO DEFEAT HIM.PLUS A LOT OF PEOPLE DID NOT VOTE BECAUSE OF HAVING TO SAY WHAT PERTY THEY BELONG TO.THAT MEANS NEXT TIME THE STATE EMPLOYEES ARE COMING OUT IN FORCE.

Cassandra · 3 years ago

Looks like the Rev. Meeks is putting the squeeze on Blago already.

According to today's Sun Times he is getting ready to start seeking signatures for an independent "bid" for governor.

He says the governor hasn't called in African American voters to ask them "what do you need."
Nothing subtle there.

Nothing like race-based politics either. Wonder if the white urban ultralibs will go along or are they starting to see the light. It's all about race. Wonder how much Blago will have to pay.

Anonymous · 3 years ago

This day and the next couple of weeks will continue to show the die-hard Oberweis people for what they are. For all of their criticism of Brady for not being their idea of "a team player" I expect few will be "team players" and get behind Topinka to get rid of Blagojevich.

At least now Oberweis is a three-time loser. While I believe Brady ran a good race and was in it to win (doing much better than anyone expected - even with a blizzard that held down turnout across much of his base), I'm glad the race didn't end up with Oberweis winning. I'd have seriously had to think about not helping any statewide GOP candidates because the bloodbath in the fall would have kept the time and effort from being worth it. As it stands, we can move on, albeit maybe not as quickly as we would have liked, and a couple of our statewides might have a shot if Judy can run a good race.

Carl Nyberg · 3 years ago

Yes, there is a big block of Democrats that don't like Blagojevich. Some of it is personal; some of it is policy.

However, the GOP has defined itself by fealty to George W. Bush. Bush's deficit spending is orders of magnitude worse than Blagojevich's games with the state pensions.

Unless JBT criticized Bush, she's going to have a hard time getting Dems to crossover. She'd have a better shot if she was an outsider with strong reform credentials. But who believes JBT is running to change the system? She'll do a couple symbolic things and otherwise preserve the perks of incumbency.

I see Blagojevich winning in a low turnout election, unless the Greens or Meeks get a large chunk of the Dem base. But if the Greens or Meeks generate enough excitement to get 10% of the vote, it will hurt Republicans running for Congress and the legislature.

As I'm writing this, I'm wondering if Michael Madigan will subtly encourage the Greens or Meeks?

Wouldn't it be a best of all worlds scenario to have fringe progressives and Blacks highly energized for the Greens or Meeks in an otherwise low turnout elections? Those extra voters will help Dems in the Illinois House. And if JBT wins with less than 50% of the vote she's not exactly in a strong position to tell the Speaker what to do.

And Lisa Madigan can run for governor in four years. Michael Madigan can retire on a positive note.

YNM · 3 years ago

Daniel, what-huh?

HeKnowsBarack · 3 years ago

Apparently that was enough.
Lack of turnout all over the state was stunning
And it appears to be true in both parties.
Wonder what the voters were thinking.
Lack of any real downstate connections for either party will nullify that issue.
Points made about he drag the Brickhead will have are valid. Dems should get a copy of his late night speech. Sounded like guy rolling out of Quarter Draft Night.

I D · 3 years ago

From Fritchey's blog-"And for what it's worth, for all the Chicago/Downstate talk during the Treasurer's race, the latest numbers look like Alexi won the counties outside of Cook by 30,000 votes."

So AG beat Madigan in Cook by over 100,00 votes, and won the rest of the state as well. Whatever you may think of Alexi, this is a good thing. It shows that the party may once again belong to the people, not just the chosen ones.

The whole geographic thing was trumped up by the Speaker to protect his interests not Democratic values.

Now let's see if he's willing to step up and get along - for the sake of the Party.

YNM · 3 years ago

I guess what I ended up with was somebody besides the FTN running the state I have lived in for 30 years.

I have no qualms saying it's easier for me to vote for Judy than for Jim ... call me whatever you want because of that.

But, before you call me names, at least answer the question ... what was Oberweis in it for, if not for selfish motives?

Shallow Pharnyx · 3 years ago

I will definitely be a crossover voter. EE in the primary and JBT in the general. Blago has some great ideas- healthcare for all kids, preschool for 3 and 4 year olds, but he has no new revenue sources (unless you include pension raids) to fund these programs.

ZC · 3 years ago

Downstate,

I agree with you, for what it's worth, and I approve, but now tell that to the 1 in 3 Republican primary voters who picked Obie as their candidate.

Judy is going to have significant problems rallying her base.

PJS · 3 years ago

Will when the Shaw Brothers learn? Hopefully this latest defeat will send a clear message that they are not wanted anymore. Go Miller!

LaMont Cranston · 3 years ago

So here is the Democrat dilemma: Blago is slightly weakened but still probably ahead of JBT. Meanwhile, Stroger is very unlikely to be able to return to office. If he quits before Nov. the committmen will replace him, but if they pick a white guy (Assessor Jim Houlihan is the logical one)they face a black voter rebellion, which could center on Meeks's indepdentdent bid for guv, which would be fatal to Blago. But the talent pool among their controlled blacks is shallow. Do they risk a third-rater such as Ald. Bill Beavers? Ask Jesse White to switch jobs? Risk a white? Or wait until after the genral election, which Stroger could win even without a pulse, and pick one of the loyalists on the County Board, possibly a Latino? Yes, a dilemma. What will happen? The Shadow knows.

Daniel · 3 years ago

what a hoot.... Jim finishes SECOND and it's the Brady folks who are diminishing Oberweis and his supporters.... only in IL could an also-ran and his minions declare a moral victory and seemingly attempt to claim the mantle so resoundingly denied them

Backyard Conservative · 3 years ago

Daniel, the first time I met Oberweis, the FIRST time he ran, I asked him what his position was on embryonic stem cell research. He looked at me blankly and said, "I'm a businessman". Later, he called social conservatives the Taliban. So don't imply I'm a RINO. I call it as I see it and Oberweis has always been an opportunist and a vanity candidate.I hope I never see him in a race again.

Political Hack · 3 years ago

YDD: Big time misconception that blacks do not favor the death penalty. Minority voters want more law and order candidates. YDD my understanding is you were never very good running campaigns. Now I understand why. You are a conventional wisdom repeater. Google Polling on the subject my friend.

YNM · 3 years ago

And, Daniel still dodges the questions ... and I guess the term "also-ran" could equally apply to Big Jim?

So, let me get this right ... I simply made some general observations, you attacked some people on here ... I answered your question and asked you one ... you dodge the question and make unfounded statements.

Yep, that sounds about right.

To echo my earlier statements:
"Rather than turning to name-calling and blaming, I’ll congratulate the candidates on a hard-fought race. At their core, they are all good people who had good goals for the state, and while I don’t agree with all of them on everything, I applaud them for their involvement in the democratic process."

Daniel · 3 years ago

"embryonic stem cell research".... wow!.... now THAT'S an issue the vast majority of IL folks woke up with on their minds this fine day....

ISU REP · 3 years ago

I find it funny how Oberweis said he expected the support of JBT's people if they won, but apparently it doesn't work the other way around...I'm glad the primary is over and congrats to everyone that worked hard, Brady people you ran a hell of a campaign and did a hell of job getting the word out about a candidate who wasn't well known state wide before this election...all in all a great job!

If the conservative republicans want to stay home in november, then obviously thats there choice. However, I don't think this is the time to be divided especially with such a weak incumbent. They always preached party unity when it was THEIR candidates, but now I guess for some those rules no longer apply. I have a feeling many of them are sensible individuals who would rather have an (R)and support their party rather than let GROD stay in power for another 4 years.

Daniel · 3 years ago

YNM, you're rambling.... my reply to your initial query could not be more base.... that said, I'll humor your insolence....

WHAT DOES A JUDY VICTORY GIVE YOU?"

Lovie's Leather · 3 years ago

Was anybody else as suprised as I was when Mangieri only got 40% of the vote for treasurer. I thought the state party people would come out for him... but i guess I was wrong.... Atleast the Republicans will keep the treasurers office....

Lovie's Leather · 3 years ago

WHAT DOES A JUDY VICTORY GIVE US?! It gives the Republican party a chance to win. No matter what your political philosophy is, you have to admit that Oberweis is unelectable statewide. Judy is the chance to get the welfare governor out of office. Maybe she will balance the budget... I mean really balance it. She is the opportunity for the Republican party. As much as I hate to admit it, she is the only one that can win. I really liked Gidwitz, I really did. And I voted for him. The fact is that he wasn't electable. Judy is, and she will win!!!

Daniel · 3 years ago

a significant bloc of JO voters have a simple question.... will Judy even venture to mutter the words "illegal aliens?"....

OR will she follow the establishment game-plan, close her eyes real tight, click her heels together althewhile declaring - "there's no place like home," "there's no place like home," "there's no place like home"....

Daniel · 3 years ago

Judy will get spanked 'cause the repub establishent and their sheeple are spineless, cowering road-kill.... you folks are a joke - afraid of not being "electable".... puuuuleeeezzzz.... it'll be 'nother 15 pt win for the dem establishment.... ever wonder why turnout in *ahem* "repub" areas is weak?!?!?!.... well, it because the establishment's message and their candidates are utterly PATHETIC - PATHETIC....

ISU REP · 3 years ago

Riddiculous, illegal aliens should be the least of our worries there's plenty of issues more important to MOST voters in Illinois than that. I'm beginning to think more and more Oberweis was in this to satisfy his own ego. He couldn't care less about Illinois or the party, it was him or nothing. We didn't need that kind of candidate and thankfully enough people saw that.

Crossover Dem · 3 years ago

I voted for EE out of anger at GRod, I certainly will campaign for JBT in the fall. That is not true of Obie-won-none.... he scares many of us and pours his own money to buy credibility. If you dont support JBT, heaven help this state.

VanillaMan · 3 years ago

Today is not a good day to post here or to read anything thoughtful. Too few people with too little to say. You guys sound like children.

SenorAnon · 3 years ago

Old Elephant, your notion that Senate Dems "don't have many options" ignores the fact that a spate or retirements will leave Watson with a number of open R seats to defend, so I'm not sure what you meant by that. At the very least, it gives Watson all he can handle simply to avoid losing seats. Changing demographics are going to make the 27th, 31st and 33rd tough to hang on to.

And Downstate, yours is one of many posts daily of the ever reliable "focus group of one," or in this case, 2 or 3.

I know two Republicans who hate Judy's guts, even though neither is a conservative idealogue. That small bit of anecdotal evidence has no bearing whatsoever on her support among Republicans in the general.

If the focus groups of one so often touted here meant anything, Eisendrath would be have shocked everyone with a suprising win, Regular Dems in the 6th CD would have roundly rejected Duckworth, Republicans would have crossed over for Claypool, etc.

You people that question the validity of every poll you read, and then turn around and cite isolated anectodal incidents as evidence of a trend always make me laugh.

DOWNSTATE · 3 years ago

Daniel sounds like a Blago-maniac watching his hero go down in flames.Last election he had no record we could ask about.This election after him being in office his record looks like 40 miles of bad road.

Yellow Dog Democrat · 3 years ago

Political Hack -

Funny, last poll I saw showed that 66% of Illinoisans support the moratorium. Are you suggesting that blacks are less likely to support the moratorium than the state in general?

If you've got more recent polling that shows that blacks in Illinois don't support the moratorium, please share. And please, don't b.s. with some nationwide poll -- Illinois experience with the death penalty is rather unique.

If your idea of planning a campaign is Google, I understand why you consider yourself a hack.

I don't rely on convention wisdom, I actually talk to voters, and I read polling data -- and weather forecasts. Oh yeah, and I put the over-under on EE at 29%.

Speaking of polling, Downstate points out that Blagojevich should also remind black voters that Topinka opposes the assault weapons ban.

Don't get me wrong, nothing is in the bag this far out, and I don't see $15 million as the antidote to everything, but if anybody wants to put up cold, hard cash on the Governor's race, I'll take their money.

HoosierDaddy · 3 years ago

Daniel--

Hate filled rants never got anyone elected. You're a prime example of why Obie lost.

southernilrepub · 3 years ago

I'm disappointed that Milldufus got that much of the vote, but put on your dancing shoes because we will trounce Blago.

West Side Rider · 3 years ago

The Best and somewhat surprising news of the night is that:

CALVIN GILES HAS LOST THE PRIMARY!!!

LET'S PARTY ON THE WEST SIDE WITH LASHAWN!!!

Daniel · 3 years ago

"illegal aliens should be the least of our worries".... and the award for the most asinine regurgitation goes to.... bwahahaha!!!!....

Political Hack · 3 years ago

YDD while you may be a wordsmith, you lack the basic knowledge to run anything more than an Alderman's race. Being able to predict the over/under in the gov's race in your eyes may give you superior knowledge, but it only reinforces my belief you are nothing more than a screaming liberal with limited real world poltical knowlegde. African AMerican legislators have always voted against their communities interest on crime issues. Their community, more so than whites, want stronger prison sentences for criminals. I have no bone to pick with you dog, just don't pass yourself off as something your not.

T · 3 years ago

Not surprised that Judy won, but am surprised that the milkman came so close. Judy has the best chance of winning in November, although she might not win just based on Rod's $$$. For the record, though, I voted for Blago and will probably vote for Topinka this time.

Not that anyone else here cares, but a surprise for me was Dallas Ingemunson's kid, Boyd, getting beat handily in the Kendall County state's attorney's race by Eric Weis, an assistant SA in Kendall. Weis got around 58 percent of the vote.

I'm beat as well. I need a nap, but have to work.

Daniel · 3 years ago

Hooier,

Sticks and stones.... now, go put your head back in the sand.... "hate filled?".... you folks are good entertainment.... is that what qualifies as "hate filled?"

Goodbye Napoleon · 3 years ago

I was most surprised by the high vote total for EE. He was a horrible candidate with no campaign and zero personal appeal. His place on the ballot might as well have said "other". Clearly that was the margin of liberal and values voters on the Democratic side who I believe will vote for Judy come the fall.

I am also very surprised that Stroger has pulled this off.

HoosierDaddy · 3 years ago

What qualifies as hate-filled?

Let's see--- "cowering spineless road-kill..." your "mocking laughter" at anyone who disagrees with your obviously superior mental and spelling skills...

Oh yeah, and ANYTHING that Oberweis sent out in the mail during the last two months.

Conservatives Dominate · 3 years ago

Skeeter, you are clearly ignoring the numbers and the facts in your propaganda piece on how the moderates have shown up the conservatives.

First, in the governor's race, conservatives (Oberweis + Brady) outpolled the "moderates" (Topinka + Gidwitz) by over 11,000 votes (9:30 am results).

Second, McSweeney ran as a prolife candidate and obtained pro life organization endorsements (largely because Salvi declared too late) McSweeney ran as a solid conservative. McSweeney votes + Salvi votes swamped Churchill by about 2 to 1. Remember, the only authentic moderate, Bartels, pulled out of the race last December.

Third, Driscoll was doomed for other reasons. Little money, recently moved into the community (he lived in Chicago for years), flawed candidate.

The "Right Wing" as you call it not only showed strength, but proved they have a good future in Illinois. Unity, good candidates, and a little money are all that are needed (example, Peter Fitzgerald). And that will come with time.

In the meantime, look forward to 2007 and freshman conservative congressmen Roskam and McSweeney.

Daniel · 3 years ago

"ANYTHING that Oberweis sent out in the mail during the last two months."

please, indulge the class.... havce you ONE specific example?.... or.... maybe.... perhaps.... you're just too disgustingly politically correct?.... whatta ya think, tiger??

babs · 3 years ago

I'm left wondering how many people really will cross over to JBT. The EE vote may have allowed some Dems to get their anger out. Can JBT re-energize the Anti-GRod vote? That's my question. Also, Mangieri didn't have any TV. I don't think most people knew he was the "slated" candidate. Huge miscaluclation on MJM's part. How did that happen?

Scott Fawell's Cellmate · 3 years ago

YDD, good to see you posting. You've always offered thoughtful insight and commentary and I hope you'll continue to post for what will certainly be a long general election season.

Anyone have any word from the Rep or Dem unity breakfasts this morning ?

Yellow Dog Democrat · 3 years ago

Political Hack -

I agree with you up to a point -- the popular idea that the black community is "soft on crime" is false.

It is just as false as your idea that black lawmakers are "soft on crime" and not representing their community. In fact, most black lawmakers have supported longer jail sentences for most crimes most of the time. Your statement "African American legislators have always voted against their communities interest on crime issues" is absurdly false. It's also an insult to black voters, who you must feel are too stupid to look at their legislator's record.

I suggest you spend a little time today reviewing rollcalls for tougher sentences for drug dealers, gun runners, wife beaters, meth makers, etc. before you make another such asinine post.

But support for longer sentences does not translate into support for the death penalty in the black community. In fact, given a choice between life in prison without possibility of parole and the death penalty, Illinoisans - black, white and brown - decisively choose life without parole, according to a 2000 Roper poll.

Yellow Dog Democrat · 3 years ago

Thanks Scott Fawell's Cellmate -- have you seen Scott's mom?

Frustrated Republican · 3 years ago

Where did this Daniel come from? Nothing posted until the night of/morning after the primary? hmmmm.

There will be a small core of Oberweis supporters so brainwashed they will stay at home in November, but the vast majority of Republicans will support Judy in the effort to take out the sitting Gov.

Oberweis' percentage is deceiving because of the turnout. Compare the actual number of voters to what he's received in the past. It's the same crowd. They just made up a larger percentage yesterday because they actually showed up. TONS of Republicans did not, but will in the general.

Weird · 3 years ago

Carl Hansen lost his primary for Cook Co Commish, to the guy who ran against him last time, tim schneider

ZC · 3 years ago

People should hold off making any decisive pronouncements about the Edwin Eisendrath vote. Unless somebody here knows where the uncounted votes in Cook County are. If those votes are from predominantly Stroger precincts, then expect to see Edwin's numbers fall a bit further in the final tally.

DOWNSTATE · 3 years ago

babs the way blago blunders he will probably reenergize those people hisself.

Dan · 3 years ago

anon - Wednesday, Mar 22, 06 @ 5:50 am:

If Stroger maintains his lead David Axelrod will be perceived as a has been.

SenorAnon - Wednesday, Mar 22, 06 @ 7:21 am:

Anon 5:50, way to kick off the post with a goofy, senseless entry. If I have to explain why, you obviously aren’t too informed.

SenorAnon, for the woefully less-informed among us, please do explain.

Anonymous · 3 years ago

How about the fact that with neither candidate on the palm cards, EE won the white precincts in the 19th Ward? Absent some big sucking up from Rod, look for JBT to carry the 19th this fall.

Anon · 3 years ago

This is a good day to keep it short & sweet:

- The ongoing GOP infighting is a good thing and I highly encourage continuing it right on through the general election date.

- Rod was pounded on by 'the media' for months, and still receives 70% support, while long-term GOP 'leader' Judy polkas her way to a weak 38%. 38%? Against those guys? After Edgar's endorsement? Ouch!

- Illinois is a Democratic state and it is growing more so by the day, even in the suburbs, even in DuPage County...heck, even in Wheaton, probably.

- The odds look very good for Rod and the other Dems in November.

- Question for the Illinois right-wing: can you support Judy and respect yourself in the morning? I'll save time and answer for you: No way.

Yellow Dog Democrat · 3 years ago

Frustrated Republican -

You might be right, Judy might be able to reunite her party. Just some things to keep in mind:

-Alan Keyes got 1.4 million votes in 2004, so don't underestimate the strength of the Illinois GOP's conservative core.

-You can read the vote in the Primary yesterday along conservative/moderate lines, but you can't ignore the time-for-a-change/status quo split. Topinka represents the status quo for the GOP, while the other three candidates advocated change. Clearly, her message of "more of the same" isn't resonating within her own party.

-If yesterday's election is any clue, November may be a historically low turnout election. That's bad news for Topinka in a state where 40% v. 28% of voters identify themselves as Democrats. Topinka doesn't just need to unite Republicans, she needs to convince independent voters that there is a clear difference between her and Blagojevich on the issues they care about.

Blagojevich has alot of cash to spend to blur the lines between him and Topinka on ethics issues, and Pat Quinn -- who refused to take cash from banks when he was Treasurer -- is the perfect guy to do it. And Birkett? Last time I heard, he was still taking cash from defense attorneys who had cases before his State's Attorney's office.

Polls today may show that Topinka matches up well against Blagojevich, but I'm pretty sure that the more familiar voters become with Topinka's record, the less comfortable they will be with voting for her, and many who are unhappy with either candidate will stay home.

Unless of course, Pat O'Malley decides to make a Third Party bid.

babs · 3 years ago

YDD - Don't forget that a Meeks candidacy sort of levels the playing field for Rod vs. JBT. And - that could be the only big turnout event for November.

By the way, to our earliest poster, Axelrod and all other professional campaign advisors lose races. Especially when they're willing to take on the little guys as clients. Losing this one - after coming so close - would still be a victory to an awful lot of folks. There are plenty of hacks to look around at - who never win a race - and embarrass everyone who had supported a candidate. That is not the case with Axe.

Central IL Stater · 3 years ago

Annon 9:05:
This day and the next couple of weeks will continue to show the die-hard Oberweis people for what they are. For all of their criticism of Brady for not being their idea of “a team player” I expect few will be “team players” and get behind Topinka to get rid of Blagojevich.

As much as I hate to admit it, you are definitely right. I don't like that Judy is liberal and that is my #1 issue with her. As I've said before, she's nice personally, I don't share her views.

However, if Judy would really push about this pension thing, I think she would have my vote. Not sure yet but maybe. A LOT of State workers are ticked off at what he did - so much so that Eisendrath WON Champaign County. (That was the funny part of the night at Brookens.)

Oh and on another note to the "Looserweis 'annon' staff posters," Brady won Champaign County and most of east central IL. Looneyweis got thrid place behind Judy. My friends and I are VERY HAPPY about that. We worked hard and had a good ground game here. People didn't know a lot about Brady, but the more they heard him, the better they thought about him and voted for him. He won here by 1,800 votes.

We in Champaign are volunteers with regular jobs and we spent our time working for someone we believe in - just like you. Except our boy had class - and Looserweis doesn't.

Enough on that. We need to decide what issues we can support Judy on. I don't like saying this, but right now, I'm leaning on voting for her - DEFINITELY NOT WORKING FOR HER but voting - maybe.

I just want to know what she wants to do and more on her positions. I'm sure ISU Rep will be happy to see me say that, lol. And I appreciate his comments the other day about supporting Bill if he won. Also appreciate your comments above about our ground campaign - you made me cry (of course it could be tiredness, lol). Your comments made me feel very good and that everything wasn't a loss. Too bad we couldn't have duplicated what happened in Central IL to the rest of the state! Thanks again.

Rich, as usual, thanks for everything. Backyard, you're awesome! YMN I like your posts.

Annon who is asking "WHAT DOES A JUDY VICTORY GIVE YOU?"

Answer: IF LOOSERWEIS GETS THE HINT, IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO NEVER HEAR FROM THE MILKDUD AGAIN! WOO-HOO!!!!!

For that, I'm happy she won instead of Looneyweis. If it had to be between those two, Judy is much better candidate than Looserweis. But of course Brady was and will always be the best choice.

babs · 3 years ago

are you really calling Claypool a 'little guy'?! yeah, a little guy who was raising money in 100k chunks, had a number of insiders running his show, and came out of the Daley admin. real little.

They thought that in a 1 on 1, it was going to be a runaway slam dunk. Guess not.

Anonymous · 3 years ago

oops, that was to babs, not from babs

Anonymous · 3 years ago

i just wanted to be 100 :)

Gregor Samsa · 3 years ago

If Stroger can't function, they should look at putting in an Hispanic in his place. The census numbers argue for it, and it's not another white guy, which should defuse the issue with the black community somewhat.

When I woke up republican this morning, I had to take stock for a while. I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative. Judy is the same. She will cut up the credit cards and put the burgeoning state programs on a pay-as-you-go basis.

the wonderboy · 3 years ago

For starters...Daniel, please report to the FTN HQ as they need someone to spew some more lies and hate. No seriously, please just leave and take your whining elsewhere.

I was a Brady guy all along and will have no problem supporting JBT in November. As for her chances...we need to be realistic.

Fundraising will have to be amazing to compete and she will have to pull quite a few moderates. I understand that some of the EE votes will go for JBT, but the research shows that she can't expect many. Every bit of research that I have seen in 3 years of polisci courses states that people are willing to toss a vote in protest in a primary, but largely tend to support the party choice in the general. In fact, most of the research shows that you can run John Q. Public who is not known at all and still pull 25% in a protest vote for whatever reason.

As for Obie's numbers...Frustrated was right. Obie's numbers have changed very little over the course of his multiple runs. As astute political people, we need to look beyond simple percentages and at the other factors. Jim didn't improve much and as such, it's time for him to go away.

Hizzoner · 3 years ago

Take a look a Claypool's D-2's. He has more 100k contributor's than Blago. He is not a reformer fighting for the little guy. Claypool faltered when he made a deal with the devil - Mike Quigley. The same guy who vowed never to drop out of the race. Not only did he drop out, he became Claypool's spokesman. Claypool (and Axelrod fro that matter) should have known that people can't stand Quigley. Just look at Claypool's numbers in the 11th, 13th, 19th and 23rd Wards. That race was Claypool's until he tried to placate that idiot from Cubtown. Now he is paying for it.

ISU REP · 3 years ago

Gregor: exactly! Some of the conservatives here and in general are painting here as a LIBERAL on everything...shes not the tax and spend type...the woman is extremely good with money...her own as well as the state's, to simply not vote for someone based on their social ideology seems shallow and uninformed, I guess to some education and fiscal reform come second to abortion and homosexuality.

Central: I appreciate your kind words towards JBT, being in B-N I have had nothing but positive experiences with people who worked for Brady. They were always extreme cordial and we always agreed to disagree. None had shown ill will towards JBT, like some Oberweis propagandists i've encountered. I was receiving words of support and encouragement from many Brady people this morning. While they are sad that they weren't able to reach enough voters to him the nomination they realize theres another important task ahead, beating Rod.
I, like many of you spent countless hours as well as blood, sweat, and tears working for our respective candidates. Although, I may not have agreed with them, the fact that all of you were so passionate in getting their messages out there is a true testament to democracy in action.

Anonymous · 3 years ago

I agree with Hizzoner - Stoger should thank Commissioner Mike Quigley for his victory. That guy is despised by Cook County elected offials out South and I hear they pushed Stroger to spite Quigley. Forest should have never teamed up with that guy......it's a shame because Claypool would have made an excellent President.

47thward · 3 years ago

I keep hearing Jesse White's name pop up as the replacement for John Stoger for Cook County Board President. Who's his replacement for Sec of State?? Anybody have ideas?

Daniel · 3 years ago

wonderboy,

you're luke-warm, corporate republicanism shall be washed away in short order.... it's never been the stuff of inspiration.... yours is a historical footnote.... not much of substance - perfect fit for the many mid-level managerial neophyts.... best to go back to your cubicle and ponder your lunch possibilities

LittleEgypt · 3 years ago

Consider that 50% of the people in my precinct are registered to vote and out of that, 10% showed up yesterday. My precinct went 60% for Blago and 40% for EE. If 5 more people had gone over to EE, it would have been a draw (in my precinct). Now folks, that is not a mandate from the people. That is a mandate from only 10% of the people. Pathetically, 4% chose EE and 6% chose Blago. The primary stats will mean nothing because Illinois is not an open primary state and even if we had great weather, our numbers would have only doubled to slightly under 20% voter turnout. Wait until the other voters who did not show up yesterday have a chance to mull around the facts of Blago and Topinka and in November, you know what you can do with your stats. And even then, it will not be 100 percent of the population. If we get a 75% turnout on election day, that's a good election. Consider that is 75% of only the 50% who are registered to vote. I believe that makes it only 1/3 of the population that are even interested enough in politics to express their opinion by ballot. The others just plain have given up and don't feel that their vote will make a difference anyway because of the corruptness of the political system. Remember Blago said it would not be business as usual and he has hugely betrayed a population that was ready to put their faith and trust in someone who for once was not speaking with forked tongue. I would guess there would be a low turnout in the November election as both sides have proven themselves to be untrustworthy.

And just to put an additional 2 cents worth in here. I'm an election judge and am livid that people don't take their privilege to vote more seriously. My son is in Iraq fighting for the Iraqi people to have the OPPORTUNITY to choose whether they want a democratic government. I just wish we all have the enthusiasm over casting a vote that the Iraqi people had in their first election, which was enthusiastically exhibited by their population proudly raising their India inked index finger into the air to show their new found freedom. SHAME ON ALL OF US!

Daniel · 3 years ago

little e,

people don't vote 'cause they have, literally, sh*t to choose from.... don't you get it?.... there's no REAL difference between the hacks paraded before us the past several mnths.... all one big joke - new boss, same as the old boss

Anonymous · 3 years ago

LittleEgypt yor are right and this low turn out is a very poor predicter of the future.I know we have those that think they know and use a lot of ifs but we saw yesterday how off base they can be.DOES anyone here think if we had a different primary set up where you did not have to ask for a certain party ballot the primaries would be different? I have heard time and again people say they do not vote in a primary for that reason.

DOWNSTATE · 3 years ago

Daniel does your Daddy know your on his computer?

Voter · 3 years ago

I think Daniel's a Blago plant to trash JBT... get back to your crony job!

Randall Sherman · 3 years ago

Looking at the results in Cook County makes me wonder if I stepped into a time machine and came out in say, 1963. That's the year when Chicago's African-American voters (they weren't called that back then) saved the political life of Mayor Richard J. Daley with their near universal support of his candidacy for re-election (Daley actually lost the white vote in that race by a 51-49% margin). this was the era of the Silent six, the black members of the Chicago City Council that refused to speak up on the issue of civil rights or anything that truly concerned their constituents. The handful of elected representatives from the African-American community placed the interests of their white political bosses ahead of those of their supposed constituency.

John Stroger's apparent narrow re-election has shown that very little has changed in 43 years. Black voters responded to the nears of his stroke by voting for Storger and other political hacks (as did many other machine loyalists). Several outstanding candidates in other races may have been defeated from these coattails of support for more of the same, for more substandard governemnt.

God help the people of this town!

Wow · 3 years ago

The people have spoken!

Whether you like it or not, it is pretty clear that the majority of Coook County voters figured out that Forrest Claypool is not the reformer he says he is.

Between those who did not bother to vote and those who would not vote for him, it is clear that Claypool's rich handful of powerful donors and his millions of free ad space on the pages of the Tribune were totally ineffective in convincing people that HE could bring change.

That was Axelrod's job, to pull this out for his best buddy. Guess this one won't show up on his next resume.

anonymous · 3 years ago

Yeah, people can't stand Quigley so much that he just won his third primary in a row, this time unopposed.

Shouldn't you Stroger people be busy fixing the vote totals in the 8th Ward et al instead of trashing opponents online?

Anonymous · 3 years ago

As to the idea of replacements for Stroger on the ballot should he not be able to remain as the candidate for health reasons, Jesse White would be an interesting choice but it would risk the many jobs at the SOS Office at risk to Sen. Rutherford and the Republicans if the unknown appointed Democratic replacement could not keep the seat. Wonder if Emil Jones would be interested in trading Senate President for Cook County Board President. Better salary, a bump in pension, tons more patronage and jobs, fewer battles with the Speaker and Governor, less travel. Any thoughts.

anonymous · 3 years ago

By the way, Hizzoner, Jesus Christ himself wouldn't have done well in those wards you mention, which are firmly controlled by the machine. What a red herring. Odd how the Stroger campaign's desperation continues even though he seems like he will win and no doubt--because the mayor and Durbin and the Stroger campaign told us so, without any bias of course--Stroger will be back to work just like before real soon.

Right.

Sure hope those kids at the juvenile home like beatings, because Stroger's probably reelection means they'll be continuing. Hardly anything is wrong there, remember? The president said so.

Who's Honor? · 3 years ago

Hizzoner -

Quigley was never Claypool's spokesperson, and Claypool's results in the 11th, 13th, 19th and 23rd wards had nothing to do with anybody named Quigley and everything to do with people named Daley, Madigan, Hynes, Sheahan and Lipinski.

Are you and Anon 12:36 so worried about what Quigley might do four years from now that you are starting the trash talk now?

The conventional wisdom was that between Claypool and Quigley, Claypool's polish made him the reform candidate to take on Stroger, and the money and some of the more calculating liberal interest groups were either lining up behind Claypool or starving Quigley out of the race as a result.

Stroger appears to have demonstrated that polish matters less than having a political base -- something Claypool lacked. Could Quigley have beat Stroger? We'll never know. But the important thing now is for Democrats to get behind their party's nominee. There's plenty of time to fight for 2010.

Realist · 3 years ago

Cold as it is to say it Stroger would not have won this election without suffering a stroke. what a sad end to a long career.

Retired Legislator · 3 years ago

Since the catholic church says it is a sin to vote for a pro-choice candidate, I guess the pro-lifers will have to sit out this years governors race. Advantage Rod!!! BTW how does JBT expect to "Balance the budget whithout raising taxes. Perhaps she could layoff more state employees or borrow more from the pension funds or eliminate the kids care program or get rid of the medicare program. With a 3 BILLION hole in the pension funding formula coming due I would like to know what her plans are for fiscal responsibility are. Her options are very limited.

ISU REP · 3 years ago

It's much easier for Stroger to have a strong base because he had control of jobs...These articles sum it up...

http://www.suntimes.com/output/mitchell/cst-nws...

"As long as white people are in charge and no one has been hauled off to jail for corruption, it's business as usual.
More important, most black people have had the Stroger experience. He's the most powerful politician in the county because he oversees government agencies that provide jobs.

Before 1994, black people were lucky if they got any of those jobs, and they still lag behind in jobs at the forest preserves.

Like his predecessors who took care of their own, Stroger opened the door for black people."

http://www.suntimes.com/output/brown/cst-nws-br...

"The women fit the prototype for Stroger's patronage army: both are county employees at Oak Forest Hospital. Their local represents workers at the three main county hospitals -- Stroger, Provident and Oak Forest -- and the union had made a major push for Stroger, in part by raising fears Claypool would ax their jobs."

Wow · 3 years ago

Realist

You're so off.

President Stroger was ahead by 10 points on the day of the stroke. Had he stayed on his feet, he'd have won by even more.

As for those of you Claypool Crybabies who are stewing in your double lattes today because you wasted all your time pretending to be interested in County government, maybe now you can spend the next two years to find another great hope to carry your banner in another race in another government.

Next time, pick a real reformer.

Oh, and remember to
BE SPECIFIC

BE SPECIFIC

BE SPECIFIC!!!!

Mongo · 3 years ago

I voted for EE and, ohmygosh I can't believe I am saying this, will vote for JBT in November. Like an earlier poster said, I woke up republican today.

he Governor is not a leader, he thinks populism will make everything right, and still, to this day, does not understand State finances, Medicaid and Medicare, business issues, and local government problems. That doesn't leave a lot that he does understand.

By the way, who the heck is this Daniel guy?

DOWNSTATE · 3 years ago

Retired Legislator what are AROD'S plans.BOOROW BORROW BORROW.That 3 BILLION in the hole was AROD'S idea.

Beowulf · 3 years ago

Eisendrath commandeered 30% of the Democrat vote which would make me think that Rod Blagojevich is going to be very vulnerable in November. Judy Barr Topinka winning the GOP nod had to be Blago's worst nightmare. Judy is more of an old fashioned Democrat than Rod Blagojevich is. Rod has got big troubles in River City.

I was sorry to see Rauschenberger get knocked out of the box. I don't know if he will ever recover in the future politically from this one. It seemed like Rauschenberger was doing fairly well until about a week or two weeks before he linked up with Gidwitz and dropped out of the gubernatorial race. His spriral began from that point on. His momentum seemed to stop and the enthusiasm of his supporters started to wane when he joined with Ron Gidwitz. At that point, Rauschenberger seemed to have gone from being his team's pitcher to water boy for the Gidwitz Team. The wind was taken from his sails and the sails barely fluttered in the breeze after that. You seldom heard or saw Steve Rauschenberger after that. It became the "Ron Gidwitz Show". The television screen was inundated with Gidwitz ads but you barely ever saw Rauschenberger except as a "bit player" in the background of Gidwitz commercials. Steve Rauschenberger made a tragic mistake aligning himself with Ron Gidwitz. Steve couldn't pull Ron's polling numbers up but Gidwitz sure managed to pull Rauschenberger's polling numbers down. It was as if Rauschenberger was banished by the King of Gidwitz to the Land of Obscurity. Somebody gave Steve bad advice on this Gidwitz move and Steve took it and ran with it. A tragic political and career mistake was made at a crucial moment. It was very sad.

The Conservative · 3 years ago

To all those that despise the conservatives, you now have your chance to prove that the Liberal wing of the party can elect someone. You have earned the right to work and elect your liberal JBT. I will be working on others and enjoy the break from having to hold my nose while pushing a liberal. You earned her, now you have her. Let's see how you do without us.... Oh no I mean we will support JBT as strongly as you and her supported Keys. We are right behind you.... Trust us.

Bubs · 3 years ago

Stroger v. Claypool is all over, absent a court challenge. I'm sure we all wish President Stroger good health and recovery. This is only politics, after all.

While the Republican in me hopes that Stroger withdraws, so Peraica will face some unqualified machine hack, the sports fan in me hopes Big John recovers enough to run in November. "Stroger v. Peraica" would be quite entertaining - talk about "two teams that don't like each other"!

I can just see the County Board meetings now. No holds barred.

ISU REP · 3 years ago

Keyes and Topinka are two different cases entirely...The guy had no political experience in Illinois, knew nothing about the people of IL, and was pretty much drafted so Obama wouldn't run unopposed. I'm sorry but I couldn't in good faith support someone who never lived here and knew nothing about any of the issues facing our state. Keyes was a blow hard, much like Obie, he was a political joke. Even with the support of the more "liberal" wing of the party as you so called us he still would have lost handily or are you going to deny he was an up and comer?

ISU REP · 3 years ago

Obama being the up and comer that is...

Yellow Dog Democrat · 3 years ago

I just wanted to point out that according to the latest AP results, Tom Dart got more votes running for Sheriff in Cook County than Topinka earned running for Governor or the entire state.

The Conservative · 3 years ago

ISU Rep: No I agree he was difficult tp work with. He ran a bad campaign, that aside I remember all to clear the comments made by the Socialist Left of the party. I am just saying look in your mirror, you will see us right behind you... please count on us to work real hard for you..... Now we shall see if Illinois is as Liberal as you say it is. If it is surly you don't want us involved so that you can prove that you do not need us. We will afford you that respect and opportunity, then perhaps we can meet at the table next time.

LittleEgypt · 3 years ago

I have gone back to the beginning of this thread and have read ALL 15 posts by "Daniel". I suggest the best thing we can do on this topic and all others that Rich posts is to ignore this child who is absolutely the sorest loser in history. His/her acid-laced posts have been nothing but amusing today. Bet Daniel has to have the last word on this one too.

Bubs · 3 years ago

Conservative, the moderate wing of the GOP has elected three out of the last four governors, covering 8 out of the last 9 elections. They have nothing to prove to you.

In 2002, the GOP ran a conservative, and lost. I assure you that this year Oberweis or Brady would lose to Blago 63-37, perhaps worse.

I figure JBT comes out of the primary about 7 points down to Blago, and you conservatives sure didn't do her any favors on that score with the vicious smear campaign out of FTN.

But she has just over seven months, and a lot of water has to run under the bridge before November. She needs a lot more money, but should be able to raise at least most of it.

Veritas · 3 years ago

I don't understand Brady supporters who hate Oberweise but can support Topinka. Brady and Oberweise had far more in common on issues than either did with Judy. How could any true conservative support Topinka after her failed tenure as state party chairman? How could any true conservative support a pro-abortion, pro-gay, anti-gun liberal? I worked and voter for Brady; I will not cast a ballot for Judy.

babs · 3 years ago

ISU Rep- when was there ever thought that Obama would run unopposed? Keyes was brought in over the objections of several moderate Reps. The every present right-wing won that round. Look what good it did. Now it's back to the center to see how it can do. It's too early to think about November - I want my garden time....

For now, where are the precinct/ward/county break-downs? That's the only reading material I want.

DOWNSTATE · 3 years ago

On an insight to Meeks he will threaten the gov. that he is going to run then he will make a secret deal and then he will get back in line and be hearded to the polls by the Democrats.

Navin Johnson · 3 years ago

Wow,

I have no doubt that U.S. Attorney Fitzgerald will be quite specific as the investigation (5 indicted already) into the Stroger hospital scandal continues.

The voters did speak and they chose Stroger. However, 48% voted against a three term incumbent who had the backing over virtually every part of the machine.

I'm not going to tell you it isn't time to taunt after a victory, after all it is one of the major attractions of politics. Nevertheless, I don't think Stroger and the rest of the machine is going to be well served to continually ignore the large minority unhappy with the County. Their blunt unwillingness to pay attention to the issues the 48% care about led to the opportunity for Claypool to have a legitimate shot at the Presidency.

Finally, even Stroger stays in for a full term or if he withdraws at some point and is replaced by another machine pol, the problems that have plauged the administration to this point are not going away: a thin majority on the board, multiple criminal investigations, structural budget problems, made for front page news stories patronge hiring, and overall inefficiency in the County.

Randall Sherman · 3 years ago

Looking below the political radar for just a moment, it is interesting to note that in the race for Democratic State Central Committeeman in the 9th Congressional District, Patrick D. McDonough (the whistle-blower in the Hired Trucks Scandal) managed to receive about 40% of the vote against four-term incumbent and former State Senator William Marovitz (the husband of Playboy Magazine Preisdent Christie Hefner). This is a note-worthy total, given the facts that McDonough did no campaigning for himself and spent no money on his campaign (given the fact that the City of Chicago had fired him on trumped-up charges after it was learned of his role in uncovering the Hired Trucks Scandal). There is talk now of having McDonough run for Alderman in the 48th Ward on Chicago's north lakefront next year. He probably be a great improvement over the likes of incumbent Mary Ann Smith and that little clique that has controlled the 48th Ward for over 20 years.

RANDALL SHERMAN
Secretary/Treasurer, Illinois Committee for Honest Government

The Conservative · 3 years ago

Bubs: You are saying the same I am saying. You are suggesting that I think only conservatives should win. Not at all, I was a co ordinator, for Thompsom Edgar, Ryan. I worked very hard for them. What did we get? When they win then they hate us and say go home... Well enough is enough. We have learned the rules, we have the experience and we are saying, equality or we sit back. Perhaps we have to prove that before you believe us. This is a great time as there isn't an ounce of differance between Blago or JBT. I would think you would be happy with this. If you win without ous, you have bragging rights.... Would you like to draw a straw?

A long thought · 3 years ago

Why RB will certainly win in November barring any direct legal action? Hello, Illinois is a light (but getting darker) blue state. There is a natural built in advantage that Democrats enjoy that has been trending to the left for the past 15 years. 1988 was the last time this state voted for a Republican for president while the last four elections haven't been that close. Nobody noticed Bush or Kerry here except to collect money in the North Shore; we are no longer a battleground state. Except for Fitzgerald (who beat CMB, a much worse candidate than RB) in 1998, the Senate seats have been in the Democratic hands for awhile as well. Although Republicans hold a 10-9 in congressional seats, the Democratic seats are mostly safe while a few Republican seats are somewhat in the air. As of last week, RB's approval ratings are a minus 6, 44 for, and 50 against and trending upwards. There were more than 150,000 additional Democratic ballots than Republican ballots yesterday. The 50 percent of the Republican party that is very conservative which supported BB and JO will not go out of their way to support JBT. From listening to his ramble, JO's supporters could have somewhat of a protest in November. Two more or less pro-choice, pro-gun control Cook County candidates -- what are conservatives to do? Voters are still somewhat uncomfortable about voting for a woman for the highest office. HRC will struggle to win as will JBT, like it or not although I wish this was not the case. Will JBT stand next to Bush as he raises money for her? The nation, along with the state, have been very angry towards Republicans recently. And lastly, money, money, and unfortunately, more money. RB 54, JBT 46.

Retired Legislator · 3 years ago

Listen up people!!! In any election 70% is a land slide period. You could put a monkey on the ballot and he would get 25%, in this case 1 million dollars got 5% more than a monkey. JBT got 38%, hardly a mandate. Who has more problems with their party, Rod with 70 or JBT with 38? Lets not forget that Rod has 15 MILLION in the bank and JBT has 0000000. Advantage Rod.

Sammy Esposito · 3 years ago

Randall Sherman was on target bringing up the '55 mayoral race while discussing Stroger's victory.

In '55, Richard J. Daley proved one of Chicago's truest political tenets -- and it was proven again yesterday: when the Irish and blacks get together, they don't lose.

ISU REP · 3 years ago

Conservative: But see that's the thing I've never had a problem with the more conservative viewpoint, like i've said repeatedly we all fit under the same tent as much as we disagree doesn't mean we cannot work together, unless your happy with Blago that is. What I don't understand is the opposition to running a candidate who has a chance to win, if you run a conservative candidate in a state that tilts in favor of the democrats your not going to win. I would almost be willing to bet that the number of registered democrats in IL is greater than the number of registered republicans...we aren't ignoring the conservative vote at all, unless your planning on telling me Birkett isn't a conservative...

Veritas: Why would you ever want to support Obie after the things he said about Brady, he was pretty much trying to paint him as slow wit hayseed, which is obviously far from the truth. JBT never took shots at Brady..and your definition of true conservative is in your mind. A candidate shouldn't be judged by social issues alone, especially when abortion and gay marriage will never make it through the general assembly. Many of you are huffing and puffing over issues that won't ever come up. If you like the thought of Blago in office for 4 more years then hey that's fine with me.

Realist · 3 years ago

well, wow, we certainly don't need to remind you to be an a$$hole! enjoy your poisoned chalice of a victory.

Lovie's Leather · 3 years ago

A tribute to a common enemy of 90% of capitol fax bloggers... sorry... I just had to...

Daniel is travelling tonight on a plane
I can see the red tail lights heading for spain
Oh and I can see daniel waving goodbye
God it looks like daniel, must be the clouds in my eyes
They say spain is pretty though I’ve never been
Well daniel says it’s the best place that he’s ever seen
Oh and he should know, he’s been there enough
Lord I miss daniel, oh I miss him so much
Daniel my brother you are older than me
Do you still feel the pain of the scars that won’t heal
Your eyes have died but you see more than i
Daniel you’re a star in the face of the sky

Daniel is travelling tonight on a plane
I can see the red tail lights heading for spain
Oh and I can see daniel waving goodbye
God it looks like daniel, must be the clouds in my eyes
Oh God it looks like daniel, must be the clouds in my eyes

ISU REP · 3 years ago

That brought a tear to my eye Lovie....

Does anyone think Meeks is serious about running as an independent or is this just an attempt to gather clout with Blago INC?

Daniel · 3 years ago

Conservative,

Excellent posts.... Perhaps we should take our places in the back of the buss and let the *puke* liberal repub establishment run off the cliff (once again).... it's always fun to laugh as they wander in the desert.... dem establishment will retire judy in November.... only problem - another one of the minions will rise to the level of his/her incompetence.... very little hope at this time.... though, i hear ex-sen o'malley is earnestly plotting his return

Lovie's Leather · 3 years ago

He isn't going to run... He is gonna do a Jim Edgar. Technically, he can't run as an independent.... He would have to create a new party. He could do it.... I just think he will sit on his hands until it is too late....

Veritas · 3 years ago

ISU REP: It matters not who attacked whom during the primary. For me, personality has far less to do with candidate selection than does taking a principled stand on the issues. If you compare JBT's issue positions to the platforms of both the Democrat and Republican parties, you'll find she is far more in line with their world view than ours. Personally, I'd support Rod over Judy. At least with Rod I get truth in labeling.

good guys wear black · 3 years ago

Big problems with the vote counting in Cook County. They are telling people they will not be done before the end of the week. One horror story had an election judge telling people that some judges were so confused they fed ballots through the machines twice during tallying because they feared they were not doing it correctly. Could make for a real interesting few days.

ISU REP · 3 years ago

Daniel: with all your obvious political "wisdom" enligthen us lost moderate republicans who could beat Rod besides JBT...

the wonderboy · 3 years ago

Daniel knows me too well...my cubicle, my lunch choices, my mid-level life...if only he could connect with the truth. I don't care if you don't know the truth about me Daniel, because I now where I have been and what I have done. For your sake, I just hope that you learn how to handle yourself with a little more respect and dignity. I actually feel sorry for you, though I wish I didn't.

ISU REP · 3 years ago

ggwb: Haha only in Cook County...Maybe the baseball season will start before they figure out who the next County prez is...

In the baseball spirit do you think we could get nancy faust to play a little nah nah nah for the crazy milkman? :)

Daniel · 3 years ago

Lovie,


That was rather weak.... it's quite reassuring that my many *ahem* "enemies" are unable to intellectually joust.... not altogether a surprise

middle ground · 3 years ago

The fact is 30% of statewide Democrats voted against Blagoevich for unknown EE. Maybe downstaters are peeved over Rod not living in the The GOV mansion. 56% of Dem's in the 6th district voted against Tammy Duckworth. Interesting to see how Tammy not living in the district will play out in the fall.

Bubs · 3 years ago

Conservative, if you really feel tht way, then leave the GOP and form your own party. See how far you get with your overwhelming army of "conservative grassroots."

Otherwise, drop the extortionate horsesh*t. We are not scared.

Lovie's Leather · 3 years ago

So, Daniel, do you really talk the way you write? Because you would sound like an American Fidel Castro. Nobody takes you serious. Drop the vernacular. You think the Republican establishment is bad do you? Well, come November, you will be a Republican lap dog... and so will the rest of the hard right. Sad isn't it... they might actually settle on the best candidate rather than hand the election to the dems. Aww... poor neo-cons... try flying your helicopter in some other state... I'm gonna stay here and POLKA!!!

Realist · 3 years ago

Whoa. Someone has stolen my moniker. Realist 2:49 is not me. I don't make personal attacks.

YNM · 3 years ago

Daniel ... did you just accuse someone of not being able to intellectually joust? Oh, my ...

Here's a re-write, just for fun (and I'm up for truly intellectual jousting any time) ...
------------------
Daniel is posting such crap, it's insane
I can see right through his posts ... but reading them sure is a pain
Oh and I wish I could see daniel waving goodbye
God it looks like daniel, and he's got tears in his eyes

They say the FTN is scary though I’ve never been
Well daniel says it’s the best place that he’s ever seen
Oh and he should know, he’s been there enough
Jim loves daniel, oh-berweis loves him so much

Daniel my brother you've bought the wrong deal
Do you still feel the pain of the scars that won’t heal
Your eyes have died but you see more than i
Daniel you’re a star in the face of oberweis

Daniel is posting such crap, it's insane
I can see right through his posts ... but reading them sure is a pain
Oh and I wish I could see daniel waving goodbye
God it looks like daniel, and he's got tears in his eyes

Daniel · 3 years ago

isu,

it really doesn't matter, now, does it.... regardless of the name, the tepids who hover 'round the middle w/ find a way to canabalize their "own".... it's remarkable how often the true base has silently stood against all that is wretchedly evil in order to support the repub establishment.... and what do we get?.... POW!!!! - nothing but name-calling.... so, honestly, most of us could really give two craps 'bout your presious political establishment - let it rot....

Realist · 3 years ago

Ditto for Realist 1:39

middle ground · 3 years ago

Anon, excellent point. Topinka will win with big margins downstate, that is a given. She needs to swing just enough moderate women in Cook County to win. Also it seems that a slogan of being Illinois' first Female Governor might gather a head of steam also.

Lovie's Leather · 3 years ago

good lord, that was awesome YMN!!!

Daniel · 3 years ago

rod 59%
jude 41%

'nuff said

Lovie's Leather · 3 years ago

Oberweis 0%

Daniel · 3 years ago

ynm, errrr.... richey?.... richey is that you?....

middle ground · 3 years ago

Rod needs Stroger to win the Chairman's race in a big way. If Stroger were to lose there would be a significant drop in African American turnout in November. If Stroger resigns, will the DEM's pick another Black to run? Blago hopes so.

Daniel · 3 years ago

per bobby novak:

Illinois Primary:

Governor: As we anticipated, liberal State Treasurer Judy Baar Topinka sewed up the GOP nomination over a divided conservative field. We correctly predicted that she would not get more than 40 percent of the vote -- she had about 38 percent late as of Wednesday morning -- and that provided her with a relatively comfortable six-point margin.

Among the political back-stories in this race is the waste of money by moderate candidate Ron Gidwitz (R), who spent $10 million to get himself just 11 percent of the vote. Consultants somehow persuaded him to buy television airtime -- something that is far less effective in low-turnout primaries than direct mail, but which tends to enrich consultants because television stations kick money back to them.

Another story is state Sen. Bill Brady, who has a future in Illinois GOP politics. He made a strong showing with few resources, although some conservatives were angered that his 19 percent could have helped the other conservative in the race, Jim Oberweis (R), defeat Topinka. Oberweis, a perennial candidate for statewide office, has probably run for the last time.

Topinka has the nomination, but she is so liberal that it will be difficult to unite the other 62 percent of the GOP vote behind her. Her hope is that Democrats disgusted with embattled Gov. Rod Blagojevich (D) will back her.

But her candidacy is also sitting on a ticking time bomb. Just as 2004 Senate nominee Jack Ryan (R) suddenly imploded when his divorce files were opened after the early March primary, Topinka may suffer some loss of support when the verdict comes down against her ally, disgraced former Gov. George Ryan (R). Any high ground she now holds against Blagojevich could disappear. Leaning Democratic Retention

ISU REP · 3 years ago

wretchedly evil? you sound like a high school drama, come now...I'm giving you a forum...who is better...who could beat Rod...as far as the true base, that's in the eye of the beholder...Demeaning others in your party certainly doesn't seem like something a member of the "True" base would do. Do I disagree with social conservatives? Absolutely. Do I think they can run a candidate who is far right and win state wide? Not a prayer. Do I respect there beliefs even though I disagree? Completely. Is is possible to work together and boot Rod's arse out of office? Definitely.

Many of my friends are conservative Republicans and while I disagree with them I don't criminialize them like some on the far right like to do to those of us who are socially moderate. Name calling and bickering does nothing but keep the other guys in office. If you're content with that more power to you!

The fact remains JBT is the candidate, as well as the best chance to defeat the walking hair piece and I'm gonna POLKA like its 1999! She plays one hell of a mean accordian :)

Veritas · 3 years ago

I have to wonder at the juvenile nature of a great many posts in this thread.

LittleEgypt · 3 years ago

I knew Daniel couldn't shut up. LOLROTF

Lovie's Leather · 3 years ago

The juvenile nature provides more entertainment than anything else... It is the day after the election... it is time to watch people make giant asses of themselves... I am enjoying... and even taking part. That is what March 22 is all about....

Daniel · 3 years ago

isu (ummmm.... couldn't get in to the u of i?).... i digress.... my/our "party" - not a chance in hell.... the dolts present don't generate enough mental stimulation for a 10w bulb - elton john, puuuuleeeez - (honestly, if it were witty, sure, i'd giggle along with the class.... but elton john is just lame)....

Lovie's Leather · 3 years ago

Once again... my wit is lost on the ignorant...

Daniel · 3 years ago

luv,

it was never even applicable.... "wit" was being generous.... a gift of sorts....

ISU REP · 3 years ago

Someone check this kid's driver license, I don't hes allowed in here with the adults. More like I work in bloomington and am currently pursuing my master's...what institution of higher learning do you attend?

Breaking News · 3 years ago

Oberweis withholds endorsement of Topinka. Read it here.

Also, rumor is Claypool will concede at 4 p.m.

In the Land of Silos and Cows · 3 years ago

Daniel ...Proft? ... The O'Malley bit makes you wonder

The Conservative · 3 years ago

Bubs: the GOP is not your party, I have been and am a hard working Real Republican. (By real I know what it means to be a Republican). My social beliefs do not allow me to compromise what I stand for. There are certain issues I cannot stand along side of a Liberal on, example: One that believes that marriage can be between same sex. To pull that lever would be an afront to my creator. I do understand your confussion as why I cannot. I will work very hard for those that will fit under the tent but that does not mean everyone. There are many area's we can sit side by side and agree to disagree. There are some we cannot align with. I will be working and supporting most Republicans this fall. As for Joe, he is a great guy, I support him, but that does not mean I would vote that way because of him, he isn't the head, he has no say.

Daniel · 3 years ago

secure enough not to post my alma mater as a tag.... may i inquire as to what you all fear?.... is it that i speak what most of you think??.... where do you all reside?.... just how brown is your village/town/city???.... why do you hate the truth, so?

zatoichi · 3 years ago

Felt odd at the poll. When asked for Dem or Rep I wanted a mixture. Went Dem to vote for local sheriff candidate I like. Kept wondering if it will come back to bite me. Not a state worker but company does recieve state funding. In actual general election, party affiliation is irrelevant to my vote. None of the statewide candidates make me "Wow".

Lovie's Leather · 3 years ago

All great things are found by accident... such as this... http://power-surge.com/experts/ryanbk.jpg

Daniel · 3 years ago

"None of the statewide candidates make me “Wow”."

May I inquire as to why?.... What was missing?.... What could have been discussed that would have captured your zeal?

ISU REP · 3 years ago

conservative: Actually JBT isn't for gay marriage, I don't know where you got the idea from...perhaps are you equating rights with marriage?

The Conservative · 3 years ago

That was simply an example, there are others.

Daniel · 3 years ago

why should n't the gays be allowed to marry?.... to hold such an opinion is.... well.... downright.... what's the word?.... i guess.... mean

B Hicks · 3 years ago

Keep it up boys, that's what we like to see.

B Hicks, signing off!

Daniel · 3 years ago

why should n't the gays be allowed to marry?.... to hold such an opinion is.... well.... downright uncivilized

The Conservative · 3 years ago

ISU: If you are talking about so called Gay rights, that would be one. There are rights for all people but not special rights based on a sex act.

Daniel · 3 years ago

gay people don't love?

Lovie's Leather · 3 years ago

Okay, serious question time... I was just reading about Home Rule. I have no idea what it is. I read Article VII section 6 of the Illinois constitution pertaining to Home Rule. Then I read a little synopsis of that. And now, I still have no freakin clue what it means. Can anyone enlighten me???

thomas paine · 3 years ago

Claypool just conceded!

The Conservative · 3 years ago

Basically, Home rule means you control the taxes for your community.

The Conservative · 3 years ago

Daniel, you have a bibilical name but you sound like what the God calls a "fool".

Veritas · 3 years ago

Personally I equate "civil unions" to gay marriage. Last I heard, JBT supports "civil unions". I cannot support a candidate who will not protect the sanctity of marriage.

Metro East Voter · 3 years ago

Could it be that no one wanted to support Keyes or Obie because they're jerks? There is a great opportunity to unemploy David Phelps (again)! That should unite everyone!!

ISU REP · 3 years ago

Basically home rule in a "nut shell" is where the city or town is granted powers usually held by the state or county that now become city responsibility. Most cities want home rule so they can set their own sales tax rates.

Metro East Voter · 3 years ago

Home rule is automatic for 25,000 cities, or they can hold a referendum. You can charge any kind of tax, and have more authority than the peon villages that can easily be controlled by idiots who are mayors. (I know because I live in one of the latter.)

ISU REP · 3 years ago

Marriage is by defintion a religious matter...a civil union is a secular thing...unless you don't believe in that whole separation of church and state thing...

Daniel · 3 years ago

i find no reason not recognize gay marriage.... only the ignorant full of hate and contempt feel the need to bash the homosexual community

The Conservative · 3 years ago

You got it, there is no such thing, show it to me in the constitution. That is why we need real Judges, not ones that legislate.

Daniel · 3 years ago

gays will be allowed to marry.... get over it.... it is gonna happen.... why fight it?.... what's to fight?.... can't stop history

Veritas · 3 years ago

ISU: If you mean, as the Constitution does, that Congress can't establish a state church, Congress can't infringe upon your right to practice your religion, then yes I believe in "that whole seperation of church and state thing".

The Conservative · 3 years ago

That we are together on.

ISU REP · 3 years ago

and if someone's religion or lack there of allows them to be together and wanting the protection of the law for their partner who are you to enfringe upon that right? But then again I guess there was a time where it was considered wrong for different races or religions to marry. It was also wrong for an african american to drink out of a white persons water fountain. I'm sorry I see distinction between marriage and a civil union....

The Conservative · 3 years ago

Daniel: You are probably correct and God will judge this nation because of it, and we won't like what He has to say.

hypocrite patrol · 3 years ago

I cannot support a candidate who will not protect the sanctity of marriage.

You must therefore favor a constitutional ban on divorce, right, Veritas?

Veritas · 3 years ago

HYPOCRITE:

1) While I personaly object to divorce, even Christ allowed for it under protest.

2)Even were I to support the banning of divorce, why would it require a constitutional amendment?

hypocrite patrol · 3 years ago

Because you seek to enshrine discrimination against gays in the constitution. I wasn't born yesterday--I know what "protect the sanctity of marriage" means. It means bash the gays and constitutionally force them into second-class citizenship.

hypocrite patrol · 3 years ago

And by the way, my screenname is "hypocrite patrol"--two words, lower case.

You, sir, would be the "HYPOCRITE."

Wildcat · 3 years ago

Rich - please release the comment police, I'm getting a headache.

Veritas - do people in both parties get divorced? Cheat on their spouses? Lie to their spouses? Have children while not married?

I'm not so sure there's much sanctity to marriage these days (which is very sad) and that literally has nothing to do with one party, a group with a specific sexual preference, or anything else.

Veritas · 3 years ago

HYPOCRITE:

How does upholding marriage as that union which involves one man and one woman constitute the degredation of gays and lesbians? How does it relegate homosexuals to "second-class citizenship"?

The Conservative · 3 years ago

Hyp patrol: You are trying to make a new class of people. Since when is a sex act a race or nationality?

Yellow Dog Democrat · 3 years ago

I can't believe that Conservative Republicans aren't going to support Judy Baar Topinka just because she's a liberal.

After all, didn't liberal Republicans like Topinka support conservative Alan Keyes when he was the GOP nominee, and didn't the Republican establishment back conservative U.S. Senator Peter Fitzgerald to the hilt during his time in office?

Quick -- someone Google me a link for a sign post for "Unity Street" with a One Way sign just below it.

Veritas · 3 years ago

Wildcat:

My original point, before someone decided to inject the debate over church/state relations, was simply that JBT is an unacceptable candidate to those who believe in the socially based principles, enshrined in our platform, of the republican party.

hypocrite patrol · 3 years ago

Oh, that's rich, Conservative. Your party is the one trying to deny gays the right to adopt, have the same legal rights to visit a partner in the hospital or pass on assets, and *I'm* trying to create classes?

You obviously know no gay people or you would know there is far more to being gay than "sex acts"--having to listen to bigots like you tell me how I am supposed to live my life and who I am supposed to love, for starters.

The Conservative · 3 years ago

Yellow dog: The answer to your question is NO, Da why do you think we are "Just saying NO", compromise is a drug and when taken will destry principle. What is left isn't worth standing for.

The Conservative · 3 years ago

Before you critize my spelling, it was a typo.

Veritas · 3 years ago

Yello Dog:

I only ask that people support those candidates with whom they share political perspective. JBT may indeed have an (R)next to her name on the ballot, that does not in fact mean she holds true those beliefs most commonly attributed to the party. If politics is nothing more than a numbers game, what purpose does party identification serve?

The Conservative · 3 years ago

To quote the Big guy "Ditto" Veritas.

Veritas · 3 years ago

Signing off for the day. More debate, less infantile antics.

The Conservative · 3 years ago

Hyp patrol: You are so wrong, I have known and know many gays. They know what feel and I know them. We do not attempt to change each other, we know the limits.

ISU REP · 3 years ago

Compromise is a drug?! wow...Ok well since we feel the need to have bible time...1) are we not as christians not to judge our fellow man, that's the Man Upstairs job, not yours. 2) Did Jesus not rebuke his disciplines repeatedly for pointing out the flaws in others while neglecting their own 3) Render unto Caesar's what is Caesar's and to God what is God's. Government is SECULAR...your religious beliefs should NOT be involved. The founding fathers felt this way and for us to say that homosexuality is worse than lying or cheating, is not for us to determine. It really pisses me off as a Christian when I hear so many others say we need to love and respect one another (with the caveat of as long as you believe what we believe) There's plenty of beliefs in this country and I do not feel as a majority Christian nation we should impose our religious views on others who do not have the same belief system. Sigh...Jesus must be shaking his head right now...

Jaded · 3 years ago

I don't know who Daniel is, and I don't care. All I want is some action on that Rod 59% Judy 41% prediction. I would gamble a lot more if Vegas set those kinds of ignorant lines although that prediction would be pretty close (maybe a little bit high on the Repub side)if Oberweis had won.
Can you actually imagine Oberweis as Governor? Madigan and Jones would absolutely run him over. Go be a good grandpa Jim, I think it probably suits you much better! Oh, and Daniel......avoid Las Vegas!

Daniel's alter ego · 3 years ago

Hey Daniel, enough with the ... Just say it! I would prefer that you leave and never come back. However, if you are going to continue to blog, please make your point in a complete sentence. Enough with the breathy ... and !?!? crap.

notquitehip · 3 years ago

Can I have your opinion, please:

1) Is Oberweis going to get out of politics, start a PAC or organization like FTN of his own and stay involved, or will he start running for Senate for '08?

2) Do conservatives blame Brady for not dropping out as Oberweis suggested he do, to give Oberweis enough votes to beat Topinka?

3) Do conservatives blame both Oberweis and Brady equally for both staying in the race and allowing Topinka to win.

4) Will Brady and/or Oberweis run for office again? What office, when?

Thanks

hypocrite patrol · 3 years ago

Bully to your alleged gay friends, Conservative, but unlike them I don't suffer bigots gladly.

HoosierDaddy · 3 years ago

To all:

To paraphrase Jack Aubrey: "Don't you know that in politics one must always choose the lesser or two weevils?"

To paraphrase Geddy Lee: "One likes to believe in the platforms of parties, but glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity.. yeah..."

I was a Brady coordinator, but I'll be voting for Judy. Brady lost. Judy's now the lesser of "two weevils."

In the real world, politics consists primarily of compromises, of choosing lesser evils, of sometimes picking between two pretty bad choices... welcome to reality.

steve schnorf · 3 years ago

Dog, leave us alone in our self-imposed Hell. No need to throw gasoline, we're obviously selfdestructing on this site, and that may be a good thing.

Skeeter · 3 years ago

Tom Dart got more votes yesterday than JBT.

JBT will be crushed in November.

The Conservative · 3 years ago

Notquithip: I would not be surprised if a compromise was struck to back Brady for the Senate if JBT is backed now. That being said who would trust a Liberal and a deal?

The Conservative · 3 years ago

Hyp Patrol.. Why would I care?

Marta Elena · 3 years ago

HoosierDaddy-

I second your motion. Most of the times, it is a matter of picking the lesser of two weevils. But sometimes, you get a candidate on either side that makes you go WOW!

Papa Legba · 3 years ago

Hey, Daniel seems to have left us. Aww shucks. His pappy must have come home and grounded him from the computer for not doing his chores.

Are we sure that Daniel isn't Gooberweis just pouting some more?

ISU REP · 3 years ago

It might be one of his minions...I have friends that go to UIS and Oberweis people were urging students to go vote since the race in sangamon was so "close"...I don't know what poll numbers they were looking at but we all saw how that turned out...

SenorAnon · 3 years ago

Wow. Lot of posts. Well, even though someone's alread answered this, I'll jump back in.

Back to the first ding-dong comment (and the later idiotic runaway slam dunk missive).

1) No one thought this was going to be a "runaway slam dunk." Claypool was an underdog from minute one of his campaign. A little known candidate in a little-paid-attention-to elective body taking on one of the Regular Democratic organization's lions.

The very fact that he surged, and it went down to the wire, is testament to his message and his campaign.

Which leads to Axelrod. That some goof on this board would, with precious little knowledge of which s/he speaks, make statements like that is patently absurd.

To try and sum up the career of one of the most successful in their field by one small primary underdog shows a glaring lack of a political or business compass.

Wow · 3 years ago

For whoever fake Realist is: That's the least that I've been called on this blog. Relax. Head on over to Ann Sather's and get one of those great Cinnamon Buns. Get me one too while you're at it. Those things are good.

As for Navin, loved your eyeglass holder.

But you are practicing the same misinformation campaign that exposed Claypool as a true phony. NONE of the indictments you mention involve County personnel. His campaign took any chance to distort the truth, especially that nonsense about reform.

Voters knew better. John Kass, who I almost never agree with, knew better.

John Stroger won the election because enough people believed that the true mission of the County is in better hands with him, as opposed to a Democrat in name only who had a dubious claim on the reform mantle.

And if it's not John Stroger in November, guess what? We elect committeemen too around here, so the "party bosses" were actually chosen by the voters as well. And if voters are not happy with their selection, they can reject it in November.

In any event, there are those of us who believe that the County provides good services to people, that government provides good services to people. Our candidates won on Tuesday.

Anonymous · 3 years ago

Wow-as a result of the primary election, there is many angry comments on the blog today. Judy will not receive some conservative votes in the general election; however, she will receive some Democratic votes. I am a Democrat that will vote for her in the general election. It may be a draw. The social conservatives will be the downfall of the Republican Party in the next 10 to 20 years. Younger voters do not like the promotion of hate directed at specific groups in society (e.g., gays). Social conservations know that time is not on their side; thus, they are very angry.

ChiChiChi · 3 years ago

I really wanted Claypool to run because Daley was putting himself on the line with his Stroger spots. If Stroger had lost, Daley's rep would be really damaged, and he would have been primed for defeat in 2007. With Stroger's win, Daley looks strong, and he can expect a lot of support from black machine organizations, he should be able to handle a challenge from Jesse Jr or Rev Meeks next year.

Right Wing Republican · 3 years ago

Dear Hype Patrol,

Have you ever had an original thought? To quote, "Your party is the one trying to deny gays the right to adopt, have the same legal rights to visit a partner in the hospital or pass on assets, and *I’m* trying to create classes?

You obviously know no gay people or you would know there is far more to being gay than “sex acts”–having to listen to bigots like you tell me how I am supposed to live my life and who I am supposed to love..."

You have one mindless canard after another. Try reading a book or two. Gays have the same rights as every other American. You want to visit someone in the hospital - go ahead and do it. You want to pass down property - try something called a will. You want to love something - have at it. Love anything or anybody you want.

What you can't do though, is force society to grant the same privileges to gays as they do to married heterosexual couples, because it has been determined over 10,000 years of experimentation that one male and one female in a committed, exclusive relationship is the best method for the continuation of society.

All other combinations and configurations are inferior to the one that has been proven as most successful. That is why society gives rewards (psychological and financial) to those that enter that exclusive male/female relationship. It wants to continue and prosper.

AND way at the top to Skeeter – where did you learn to count? 32% + 19% = 51% something called a majority. How can you say Illinois Republicans don’t vote for Conservatives (actually you said right-wing extremists)? Do you think McSweeny is a Liberal?

The Conservatives lost because they had two candidates in the same race for Governor – its that simple.

Stick · 3 years ago

I'm glad to see judy won yesterday, and i know we republicans and many dems will rally around her to take out the corupt G. Rod.

T.J. · 3 years ago

Oberweis’ percentage is deceiving because of the turnout. Compare the actual number of voters to what he’s received in the past. It’s the same crowd. They just made up a larger percentage yesterday because they actually showed up. TONS of Republicans did not, but will in the general.

Oberweis 2004: 155,657
Oberweis 2006: 227,821 (94.9% of precincts reporting)

Want to try again?

the wonderboy · 3 years ago

I will try again for that earlier post which I agreed with, but did not initiate. Look at the numbers compared to his 2002 numbers...that's gotta hurt...

Central IL Stater · 3 years ago

Notquite: I'll answer your questions

1) Is Oberweis going to get out of politics, start a PAC or organization like FTN of his own and stay involved, or will he start running for Senate for ‘08?

No because he's too dumb to realize that no-one wants him. They might run him for the primary in the senate in 08 if Brady runs. Oh-boy.

2) Do conservatives blame Brady for not dropping out as Oberweis suggested he do, to give Oberweis enough votes to beat Topinka?

I personally don't Blame Brady - I actually thank him for not dropping out and falling under pressure. The voters have a right to pick the candidate. I blame Looserweis for not dropping out and supporting the better candidate in Brady. He knew his antics were obnoxious and he should have realized that he would destroy the Republican party if nominated to run in November.

3) Do conservatives blame both Oberweis and Brady equally for both staying in the race and allowing Topinka to win.

Again, no. If they didn't stay in the race, Judy definitely would have won by a bigger margin.

4) Will Brady and/or Oberweis run for office again? What office, when?

Brady - definetly. I believe he will take a whack at the U.S. Senate 08 race. Durbin is a tough cookie but with the entire party behind him, he would make it. But my true bet is for him to try the Governor's race in 2010. If Judy decides to hang it up after one go round at governor, then it would be ideal for him to run again.

Looserweis needs to keep to his milking of cows and not of people. But personally, I think he'll run again just because the political bug is in him. He doesn't get it. Maybe he should run for a state senate or state house rep and then go from there. I don't like the guy but let him run for a local race and move up. Maybe when he looses the race, then, he'll truly get the picture.

T.J. · 3 years ago

Are there any Brady backers who know how to spell "lose"?