No, I dont' it happening to him, the endorsement gone from the county party, the state party not endorsing, the unions not endorsing him, but the problem he is he really has no where to go, except to wait for the senate seat if Durbin retires, I think his time has passed him, unless he can get David Miller out of the race......
Shore
· 3 months ago
the state is not doing well. How can a discussion and competition hurt?
Bill
· 3 months ago
Yes. He just might be a better Governor than Quinn who has been a miserable failure during his trial run. The flip flops, the budget fiasco, the proposed tax increase that would not solve the deficit problem, the ethics reform failure, the Trustees resignation that never happened. If you don't like something Quinn does just yell a lot and he'll change it. In the meantime nothing gets done. We need a mature, quiet, methodical, technician, not another loud mouthed bomb thrower. I hope he stays in. I'm pretty positive Quinn can't win in November against a credible challenger. Hynes might have a chance..
downstate hick
· 3 months ago
Absolutely. By February Quinn may very well self destruct.
Pat Quinn
· 3 months ago
Yes. I mean, no. I mean, I think there should be a referendum to let the voters decide. Oh wait, that's kind of the same thing as an election. Never mind.
South Side Irish
· 3 months ago
This election is going to be about two things... Ethics and Jobs. As people in Springfield and Chicago know, Hynes is a career politician who got to where he is today because his father was dishing out favors left and right as Cook County Assessor for Daley's Machine. Hynes has got all sorts of ethical problems besides this. Remember the 2004 Senate race when Hynes got in trouble for accepting illegal contributions from the health care industry and was subsequently fined $75,000 by the FEC??? That was a mess. It is also no secret that Hynes has long accepted money and had associations with Tony Rezko's goons and handed out contracts to state vendors in exchange for campaign contributions. If Hynes makes it through the primary, there is no doubt he will get take a beating for this.
Leadbutt
· 3 months ago
Why would you throw a question out like that this early in the race? And why would you even consider giving Quinn, let along any elected official, another 4 years without even challenging him/her? I say Danny Hynes stays in the race which will create an honest dialogue between the 2 candidates would be healthy for the state, its voters and the democratic party and where we're all heading. I think Hynes is a better candidate for what Illinois needs most at this time...honesty. Rock on, Ayatollah Comptrolla!
TJ
· 3 months ago
Should Hynes stay in? Yes.
Will he win? Almost definitely not.
Competition's a good thing, people, regardless of one's chances of in an election. Remember way back when in early to mid 2008 and everybody was calling for Hillary to just give up and back out? Does anyone doubt that Obama having a few extra months of primary campaigning didn't help out in a big way come the general?
Who knows? Maybe a strong showing by Hynes could help knock some sense into Quinn and help him become better oriented as a candidate.
==I’m pretty positive Quinn can’t win in November against a credible challenger.==
Thank God he'll be running against an Illinois Republican then. :)
Niles Township
· 3 months ago
Yes, even though he will lose to Quinn. Quinn will be a better candidate in the general for facing Hynes in the primary.
Bill
· 3 months ago
LOL, TJ. Well said!
Stones
· 3 months ago
Absolutely! I don't like to answer a question with a question but why shouldn't he run?
Anonymous
· 3 months ago
Agree with shore and Stones.
Okay Then...
· 3 months ago
IJS, AFSCME is still out there and if Hynes gets it aren't Quinn and he tied so far as labor organizations are concerned? I think Hynes would have a slight advantage by 3:2? Plus, isn't AFSCME the largest of them all? AFSCME sn't deciding until Decemeber, though.
If the Primary Election were held today, 9-23-09, I suspect Quinn would win.
Quinn's real advantages at this point are #1, he is the current governor and #2, he's being propped up by the Machine. (yes, Mayor Daley John McCain was correct that there is a Chicago Democratic Machine)
It's not so much that Quinn is necessarily doing anything right for Hynes to quit now, though. Quinn is not as strong he and others think, and based on that I would agree that Hynes should stay in. But, his campaign needs to be run more competitvely and needs to be way more strategic in its execution. It seems like the wheels have come off the Hynes express.
Because Quinn isn't that strong, maybe Hynes may be able to put the wheels back on and cover some ground?
OneMan
· 3 months ago
Sure, might as well make the race interesting.
Also could set up a Hynes, McKenna race in the fall and encourage all of Illinois to catch up on it's sleep.
Levois
· 3 months ago
Hmmm, I want to see Pat Quinn sweat a little. Let's see how much fire he really has in the belly. Dan Hynes should stick around for the primary.
helpme
· 3 months ago
Hynes is going to beat Quinn so why wouldn't he stay in the race? Whatever you are smoking Rich order me a bag!
Chicago Cynic
· 3 months ago
Gee Rich, it's awfully early to be declaring Hynes candidacy on life support which your question implicitly does.
I mean sure, pretty much everything has gone against him at this point, but it's September. This is going to be a long race and anything can happen.
I suspect in the end this won't be that close of a race, but it's WAYYYYY to early to know that.
WOW
· 3 months ago
"I'm Just Saying" ... Hynes was endorsed by both the Laborers and the Teamsters. Both are pretty big unions.
He should never have announced in the first place but now that he has then Hynes has to stay in.
cassandra
· 3 months ago
Well, crowning Quinn as the nominee at this point would seem rather self destructive for us citizens.In effect, we'd be saying raise our taxes as high as you want, keep the Blago bureaucracy running everything (badly), minus a few token removals, and ethics smethics.
Is that really the message we want to send. If not, we'd better hope both Hynes and a Republican mount a solid campaign and keep the many alternatives to this future Quinn regime at the forefront.
Apple
· 3 months ago
Why not? Listening to Hynes, though a nice man, is like watching paint dry. Quinn will win the nomination, but there's nothing wrong with some dialogue.
I'm just saying
· 3 months ago
WOW, The teamsters Endorsed Pat Quinn on 9/4/09..... he has the laborers.....
The Prophet
· 3 months ago
Dan Hynds should stay in the race. I would rather cast my vote for Dan Hynds than Governor Quinn. However, I am a registered Republican which makes you probably wonder why I would say this. So what does my preferance for Hynes over Quinn mean as far as the general election goes? If I am typical of most other Republicans, I would seriously consider crossing over Party lines to cast my vote for Hynes rather than casting my vote for a Republican candidate (McKenna)that I am not in sync with. I am inclined to think that there are other Republicans out there like myself that view McKenna being a GOP appendage of what John Kass calls "The Combine". I like Pat Quinn as an individual and I believe him to be honest but I just feel that Dan Hynds is also honest and more qualified than Pat Quinn to lead the state out of it's financial morass. I also have a gut- feeling that Dan Hynds has a sense of honor and integrity that would allow him to go up against his Democrat Party leadership if he felt that they were trying to hurt the citizens of Illinois. Hynds can have backbone if he were put in the position of Governor is my belief. I don't think that he is just another Party lacky like so many others. Rich Miller would have a better feel for who the real Dan Hynd really is than I would. Dan Hynds seems okay to me.
CircularFiringSquad
· 3 months ago
Chicago Cynic is right Guess this is a sign that Capt Fax is rolling in moolah right now and does not sell a lot of nifty on line ads to Hynes. Stay in ...or else Dave Winters might bring his comedy act to run against SubGuv.
PalosParkBob
· 3 months ago
Of course he should stay in the race!
He should get into a knock down, drag out brawl with Quinn over which of them can take more food off of our families' tables with unnecessary and job-killing tax increases.
They can also show which of them can drive more entrepreneurs and jobs out of Illinois with their corruption, patronage, and counterproductive progressive tax system plans.
They should also spend as much of that union bribe and contractor "pay to play" money they'll raise fighting each other.
That will make Fall 2010 an election even a McKenna could win!
KeepSmiling
· 3 months ago
Never has a "d" instead of an "e" been so annoying, but I generally agree with Prophet -- except that Hynes isn't exactly a fresh face or name in Illinois politics, either.
Amalia
· 3 months ago
wow, i cannot believe you are asking this question! Hynes is boring and pretty empty, but everyone has a right to run. could make Quinn look good.
Anonymous
· 3 months ago
======== Also could set up a Hynes, McKenna race in the fall and encourage all of Illinois to catch up on it’s sleep. ========
Anything that would encourage catching up on sleep is a great thing.
LincolnLounger
· 3 months ago
Hey, Prophet! Who's Dan Hynds?
dupage dan
· 3 months ago
The Prophet,
Are you really a republican? Really, c'mon, the truth now. BTW - McKenna ain't the only GOP candidate out there.
Parlimentary Boy
· 3 months ago
It is a big mystery to me why he doesn't run for Cook County Board President, a race he would almost certainly win.
Louis Howe
· 3 months ago
The first step in winning is accepting whatever your worst case scenario would be in losing.
If Hynes doesn't beat Quinn, but runs an aggressive negative campaign (which the polling indicates he needs to do to win), and then Quinn loses the general election----What would be the fallout for Hynes?
In my opinion, he would be labeled a two time loser (2004 Senate & 2010 Gov) and spoiler. I think his political career would be toxic for a least the next couple election cycles.
Can Hynes deal with that scenario?
wordslinger
· 3 months ago
Interesting question.
Yes, he should. I don't see Quinn as a lock in late September. The easiest thing to do will be to tag him as Blago's running mate. That alone's worth the chance.
I don't think anyone's paying attention yet.
downstate conservative
· 3 months ago
Hopefully he stays in, bloodies Quinn and makes him spend a lot of money.
It's a real shame that some of our Congressmen didn't run for this seat. I guess they're nice & cozy in their Congressional seats.
Vote Quimby!
· 3 months ago
Yes, Hynes should stay in the race. While I doubt he will win, he should stay in for the exact reason Quinn stayed as lt. gv.: just in case. This will also give Quinn some much-needed campaign experience...he is going to need it, as the GOP nominee will certainly be playing the Blago card all next fall.
Obamarama
· 3 months ago
Hynes should stay in the race.
In the general, I can't see he or any other semi-worthwhile candidate losing to Dillard or McKen-uh. Quinn, on the other hand, lacks the political dexterity to run a mistake-free candidacy/trial governorship. Simply put, Quinn makes me far too nervous in the General as a Democratic voter. He's a populist figure, not a governor (with a small G). It's time for him to start a non-profit, become an adjunct professor, and release Rosen so his fundraising talents can be put to better use.
Michelle Flaherty
· 3 months ago
Don't you mean: Should Dan Hynes get into the governor's race?
L.S.
· 3 months ago
Why are some people acting like Pat Quinn is an incumbent or even a front runner??? The man has not earned a THING. He gets elected to the most meaningless position in Il. government on the coattails of the most corrupt administration in state history, proceeds to do nothing but the occasional solider funeral for 6 years, falls backwards into the governor's chair and shows no ability to be at all decisive or to get anyone to follow his lead.
Quinn has at best, soft support. Hynes is as boring as the day is long, but someone might as well try to challange Quinn, for Quinn beneift if nothing else.
Fan of CapFax
· 3 months ago
No! I hate the fighting, innuendos, one upmanship. I was hoping that we could stand on our side of the fence and point at the R's doing that. When I see a Dan Hynes story, I don't even read it. As a regular Joe, his style is irritating and grates on my nerves. Why oh why did he decide to do this NOW? I predict a loss to Quinn. And Quinn can do this. Win, I mean.
Anonymous
· 3 months ago
=============== In my opinion, he would be labeled a two time loser (2004 Senate & 2010 Gov) and spoiler. I think his political career would be toxic for a least the next couple election cycles.
Can Hynes deal with that scenario? =============
It's not as if the Hynes family are just getting into politics. I'm sure that they, the Madigans, et al., were discussing that very scenario--and possible options--decades ago at the dinner table as their kids were growing up.
Vote Quimby!
· 3 months ago
Of course, Milton Bradley should stay with the team...oh wait, we changed questions...
Anonymous
· 3 months ago
========= It’s a real shame that some of our Congressmen didn’t run for this seat. I guess they’re nice & cozy in their Congressional seats. =========
I don't know about "nice & cozy", but agree overall. Peter and Elizabeth immediately come to mind.
Okay Then...
· 3 months ago
Louis Howe, I think Hynes has pretty much made it clear that he doesn't intend to run for public office after this.
Wordslinger, I agree that no one is really paying attention. That's sad under the circumstances. But people not paying attention plays into Quinn's hands. The best he can hope for is a low voter turn out, which is ironic given all that he has stood for over the course of his political career.
Quinn made a good political move by quietly sweeping talk of his 50 percent tax increase proposal under the carpet until after the Primary. I don't know why the Democrats didn't just take their lumps on the tax hike this year and get it over with. Rocket Scientists that they are they decided to wait till the actual election year with an even worse budget. LMAO & voting republican in the primary and general!
Anonymous
· 3 months ago
======== Why oh why did he decide to do this NOW? I predict a loss to Quinn. And Quinn can do this. Win, I mean. ========
Fan, Dude, take a deep breath. It's OK...whatever it is.
VanillaMan
· 3 months ago
Dan Hynes should stay in the race, but scuttle that boatload of loser political advisors of his.
Dan Hynes is a good guy. He should be considered a candidate for one of our major offices because out of all the freeloaders and scalawags fighting at the public trough, Hynes has always been cleaner and corruption-free. This is Illinois. Why would we be shunning an experienced competent guy like Dan? We should be lucky to get candidates without a rap sheet, let alone someone with a decade of experience in public office handling our fiscal tramas.
Hynes would be a good governor. Unfortunately, his political staff is clueless. Are they from out of state? From Mars? How could anyone advise Hynes to do the stupid political stunts that have backfired on him? If any of them were left after his primary loss - he should have shown them the door by now. Dan Hynes' problem isn't competence - it is the lack of competence in his campaign.
Hynes should fire them all and start from scratch. They have let him down repeatedly.
Chubs Mahoney
· 3 months ago
Fan of CapFax said it well. Most Illinois Democrats like Pat Quinn. Dan Hynes is not a compelling alternative.
If he had a radically different agenda, I could see the point of his running. Hynes for Gov just weakens the Dems statewide in 2010.
47th Ward
· 3 months ago
Yes of course Dan Hynes should stay in the race. If I was giving him advice, this is what I'd tell him:
Don't worry about losing. Make a strong and compelling case about the kind of state you want to raise your children in, the kind of state we all want Illinois to be. Get specific, don't worry about offending the powers that be. Take on the sacred cows and call them out. Tell the voters what they need to know, the things that cautious politicians never say. Tell it like it is, and then tell us how you would make it better. Be specific and blunt and speak from the heart.
And damn the consequences. Be a breath of fresh air for once. Run an insurgent's campaign the way no one else ever dreamed of. Lay out a vision of what Illinois government should look like in 2020, not 2010. Inspire people with your campaign. Think big and bold.
If you do this, the election won't matter and your political prospects for the future will improve. This is the message people want their leaders to give. Give it to them early and often.
And have a ton of fun barnstorming around the state while you're at it. You've decided to give up the Comptroller's office, so this is it. If you're going to go for it, go all-in and run the kind of race that will make your supporters proud.
Old Style Fan
· 3 months ago
As a South Sider, former 19th Warder, White Sox Fan, Irishman, Democrat, and being from a big union family, I can only say that Hynes is letting us all down. Quinn is the first true White Sox fan we have had in this position in a long time, and Hynes may damage Quinn enough that we end up with god forbid another Cubs fan like Blago, or worse yet, a Cardinals fan like Brady. Hynes, think of your fellow south siders first, and your political ambitions second.
eileen left
· 3 months ago
Two things come to mind. Why does he want to be governor would be my first question. My second comment would be that if he wishes to continue to serve the public in a state wide capacity he should run for reelection as comptroller. Dan is a terrible campaigner and has only done a mediocre job at best as comptroller. Other than the fact that his father was a somebody I don't see what he has going for him. I am not a big Quinn fan but at least he is getting around and talking to the right people.
Bill
· 3 months ago
==Most Illinois Democrats like Pat Quinn==
That's funny. I wonder why. They hated him until January of this year. He couldn't draw 5 people to his fundraisers including his own family. Now, all of a sudden, they are lined up around the block, checkbooks in hand. What changed? Oh yeah! This is Illinois.
Anonymous
· 3 months ago
Great advice, 47th. I hope the Rs are listening, too.
Anon
· 3 months ago
He should run for cook county board president.
Fan of CapFax
· 3 months ago
Illinois Dems that I know like him spearheading the Main Street program in Illinois, providing a catalyst for those willing to pitch in and work for the community. I can't tell you the times I've heard his named tied to servicemen and women, whether its a sad funeral service or a joyful homecoming. He's not part of the circle, or at least he wasn't. He would always speak and shake your hand, look you in the eye. I don't know if I would know Dan Hynes if I passed him in the hall, that's gotta be a problem.
Joe in the Know
· 3 months ago
I poured over the comments, though a bit quickly so if someone raised this observation already, I apologize:
Dan Hynes is sitting on $3.5 million and will likely have $4.0 to $4.25 by primary day (if not more). That's a lot of dough for TV ads blasting Quinn and improving his image. I'd say this isn't over by a long shot. Will tomorrow's question be "Should Quinn quit the race?"?
Bill
· 3 months ago
No, that will come sometime in November or December after a dozen more flip flops, another onslaught of hoof in mouth disease, and the state default on more of their overdue bills.
zatoichi
· 3 months ago
Why shouldn't Hynes stay in the race? If he thinks he has support, can get the bucks to pay the bills, and is willing to put in the time, he has every right to go for it. He has plenty of opportunities to teach a forgetting public what he has to offer and get a good PR machine going. It would be nice to see 2 other Ds put in strong showing for Gov. Worse possible option is deciding anyone is a shoe in and the rest of the potential candidates simply give up.
David Ormsby
· 3 months ago
Yes.
The competition between Quinn and Hynes will make whichever candidate emerges a stronger general election foe.
The long primary slug-fest between Obama and Clinton only strengthened Obama in the contest against McCain.
babs
· 3 months ago
The fact that Rich asked this should be enough to suggest that he shouldn't. The only thing worse will be if Dan runs a negative campaign. If he contributes to the loss of a sitting Democratic Governor - well, that would be a very poor way to end his political career.
Okay Then...
· 3 months ago
David the scenarios here are reversed. The Republicans are ultimately in the better position come November. The November election will be a referendum on the democratic party control of the state.
Do you really want four more years of democrat rule over the state of Illinois? How did you like the last 8? Corruption, scandal tax increases, government waste, democratic party bickering, power in the hand of one at the expense of the many, etc. These are the question for voters to answer and things for them to consider.
disgusted
· 3 months ago
life long democrates are all physically sickened by both the quinn and the hynes scenario....we need a new untarnished face to run illinois gov. democrats need to think out of the box and look outside all the typical wannabees...ie in the private sector, in the legislature, etc etc. maybe madigan isnt looking too hard as his daughter could be in the running in another 4 years.....best to have another embicel causing further destruction and mayhem in the mean time.
Carl Nyberg
· 3 months ago
What is the alternative to running for governor at this point?
I'm the type of person that should be in the Quinn camp and I'm completely undecided. Quinn hasn't accomplished anything as governor that inspires my loyalty. And I think Quinn's political reform agenda is mostly cheap populism with little substance.
ls
· 3 months ago
*ok then
money will keep the Dems in office come November, add all the GOP candidates funds together and it won't be as much as either Quinn or Hynes.
Louis Howe
· 3 months ago
I think "47th Ward" has a great Hynes campaign plan for Oct, Nov, and Dec, but ultimately, starting in Jan2010; Hynes has to throw some real punches and deliver the contrast of why Hynes would be a better Democratic Candidate for Governor. In my view, Hynes is directly challenging Quinn far too early. With all the mismanagement of the Blago/Quinn Administration he has many good targets to hit, but first Hynes needs to define himself. My point about Hynes first dealing with losing is that great competitors never think about losing once they step into the ring, but you never want to step into the ring if you can't take the punishment. In Hynes case, it could be career ending.
Anon
· 3 months ago
VanillaMan is right. What is his campaign thinking right now? I mean this is a campaign team that lost Feignenholtz's campaign for the 5th CD special election.
publius
· 3 months ago
well, rich you certainly got the pot stirred...
yes, he should stay in.
i'm so happy we aren't talking candidate blago this go around.. he would hv run again:(
Rich Miller
· 3 months ago
===The fact that Rich asked this should be enough to suggest that he shouldn’t===
I'm just asking. I'm not saying. Just asking.
L.S.
· 3 months ago
--Illinois Dems that I know like him spearheading the Main Street program in Illinois--
I don't think I've ever heard anyone reference this, anywhere...to anyone. I'm calling shenanigans on that.
Rich Miller
· 3 months ago
===another embicel===
Do you realize how imbecilic you look when you misspell imbecile?
Sheesh, man. Go to your local cc and take a basic writing class.
Anon
· 3 months ago
First, I have to wonder why Rich even posted this question. It wreaks of bias toward Quinn.
Second, Hynes should stay in the race. Quinn has done nothing to inspire confidence in his leadership style. One day he's for something, the next it's off the table. He can't seem to make up his mind about anything. And it certainly seems like he isn't doing anything to move away from the Blagojevich playbook. If he's going to lead, then he should lead and stop flip-flopping on every issue he takes up.
Lastly, Hynes may be boring, but I'm willing to take a look at him. We just went through a debacle with a good "politician" and that certainly didn't work out, to say the least. I'd much rather have a Governor who bores me to death and can govern than a politician who can give a rousing speech and then not deliver on anything.
Pat Quinn is the accidental Governor. He hasn't earned the position. A little competition is a good thing. He should have to earn it. As a life-long Democrat, I'm not comfortable going into November 2010 with a candidate who spent all of 2006 running around on record defending Rod Blagojevich. I can see the Republican ads now.
Rich Miller
· 3 months ago
===It wreaks of bias toward Quinn.===
First, it's reeks.
Second, a week ago a bunch of Quinnites were saying I was biased towards Hynes.
Y'all need to make up your minds. lol
OneMan
· 3 months ago
I am always amazed at the power of the Rich Miller conspiracy...
It's not like he asked if it takes more than 100 years for a baseball team to win a world series if that team should be forced down to AAA or something.
Rich Miller
· 3 months ago
Now, THAT's a good question, OM. Hmmm.
Anon
· 3 months ago
Excuse me for my lack of proofing before posting, it does "reek." HaHa
I do enjoy the stirring of the pot. Nothing makes for better political theater.
dupage dan
· 3 months ago
Watch it, Rich is on a language tear. I keep a dictionary and thesaurus handy (internet or hard copy) to prevent such scathing criticism. I get enough flak with my viewpoints - I don't want to get it for my grammer. :)
Jay Cutler's Wife
· 3 months ago
This is a good dialogue. I am throwing this out there since not too much is happening today... Everyone knows "ethics reform" will be a big part of whoever comes out of this in February. Say Hynes goes negative (which I think he has to do) and hits Quinn on "ethics reform." Are Hynes ties to the Chicago Machine and his past fundraising mishaps along with his FEC problems fair game. You think Quinn will hit him on this?? Will anyone care? How will this play out?
dupage dan
· 3 months ago
I think Quinn is probably viewed as the incumbent and reaps much benefit from that. Hynes has to go negative to fight that but is making a total mess of it. Does Quinn go after Hynes' past ties? If he's smart he does so only if he is being hurt by Hynes. Otherwise, he should just stand there with Daley and smile. The dems up here in Chicago just love to pull the lever for him. All except those who use parking meters, or have businesses near parking meters. Come to thinik of it, maybe Quinn shouldn't stand so near Daley after all.
This is going to be fun.
Richard Afflis
· 3 months ago
Both Hynes and Quin should drop out as well as all the republicans running. It does not matter if they stay in or not with that political juggernaut- Rich Whitney is in the race! He is going to completely destroy ALL the competition. No one stands a chance against Whitney! He is going to take at least 75% of the general election vote.
Bumblejuice
· 3 months ago
I can think of 3.8 million reasons for Hynes to run. Why can't Hynes win? The machine patronage armies have been decimated. Hynes has a squeaky clean image and can probably have a better campaign.
Just because the SEIU or AFSME endorse Quinn doesn't mean they will go to the mats for him. I'm sure they would be happy with Hynes too.
Spell check
· 3 months ago
Hey, Anon 4:42 -- it's "theatre," not "theater"
Sorry, couldn't resist. (And stand down folks; I know both spellings are accepted. Just having fun.)
Okay Then...
· 3 months ago
ls, that's the problem with the democrats. Remember G-Rod, who was trying to get $12million to stay in the governor's office? look where it got him. and still the democrats' only concern is money, money, money. Sickening!
Anonymous
· 3 months ago
========== life long democrates are all physically sickened by both the quinn and the hynes scenario….we need a new untarnished face to run illinois gov. ==========
Hope you'll consider a Republican then!
Anonymous
· 3 months ago
Hey, Richard,
It's "Quinn" not "Quin"; and yes, this is an instance where a dictionary and thesaurus will fail thee.
ToughGuy
· 3 months ago
Let's see, since the R's
Bobs yer
· 3 months ago
Blago-mate needs a challenge. I think the reason there's no stronger opposition is that the Dem's expect to lose the office anyway. As an R, I love Hynses' challenge to Quinn re: tourism, advertising, etc. Well Pat? are these good or bad?? If Hynes keeps up this way, I may vote for him.
ToughGuy
· 3 months ago
Sorry, I had a finger blow out. I began to say since the R's generally self destruct with their in-party fighting and a the total primary turnout for both parties might be 35%, this race will come down to organization. Unless the Comptroller can put together some kind of coalition it will be difficult since he has so far not been able to garnish the favor of any of the large union groups or County/Ward organizations. I think if he feel he is a viable candidate and can win, he should stay in. If not he should rethink his strategy and long term ambiitions. Either way with Hynes or Quinn, I still feel the track record and disfuntion of the R's will allow them to win.
DCFS
· 3 months ago
Definitely Hynes should stay. Who cares about the back-stabbing Teamsters. Whatever happened to union solidarity you clods? AFSCME has been fighting this governor since he fell into office and the teamsters should show a little respect instead of endorsing Quinn. Just wait until the next time the teamsters want some support from me. They can drive their trucks into Lake Michigan as far as I am concerned.
lucid brazzi
· 3 months ago
The only ones who are paying enough attention to handicap this race this early are CapFax folks and other diehard political professionals. History proves that these types, while astute, are often wrong about results and not dense (easy, I mean in numbers) enough to decide elections. Hynes is criticized as boring but almost universally respected for his ethics and motives. For those who say he is capitalizing on his family machine, I would suggest that had he could have done more for himself hooking up with a big firm years ago and making tons of dough. I am pretty certain that most understand that he is modest in presentation as well as wealth. I suspect that he will be able to raise enough money to reach the voters and lety them decide who is best for a retreat from this currently dismal environment. Let's see how the general public reacts to a smart, decent guy.
Ghost
· 3 months ago
Everyone is wating for Hynes to ketchup.
anon
· 3 months ago
I don't think Dan Hynes could win another term as Comptroller, let alone Governor. He was asleep at the wheel in regulating cemeteries, and admits himself that in 10 years he couldn't get any meaningful cemetery reform legislation passed because the Cemetery Lobbyists were "so strong." Not exactly credentials for Governor. He will lose in the primary, and probably will not carry in his home 19th ward, similar to what occurred when he ran against Obama for US Senate. His time has passed.
Rocketman
· 3 months ago
The political climate in this country and in this State combined with the weak economy, huge deficits and budget shortfalls have created an atmosphere which drives away from politics people who might be able to have an impact on some of the problems facing the citizenry. Why would any successful person want to subject him/herself and family to not just scrutiny but abuse from opponents, media and the blagosphere? Anyone who enters the field nowadays is instantly subjected to abuse and claims of impropriety, guilt by association and all forms of attacks ad hominem. Most often, there is no basis for these claims but the candidate's reputation is tarnished and damage is done to his/her family. Herman "Paddy" Bauler uttered the famous line, "Politics ain't beanbag", which is true and it was never for the faint of heart. But, the political climate is now considerably more dangerous as it can result in ambitious, agenda driven prosecutors conducting investigations which, even if they result in no charges, destroy a person's reputation and leave them penniless. This may be why we have such a poor field of candidates.
wordslinger
· 3 months ago
--The political climate in this country and in this State combined with the weak economy, huge deficits and budget shortfalls have created an atmosphere which drives away from politics people who might be able to have an impact on some of the problems facing the citizenry.--
Like who?
I don't buy it. There are White Knights who want to be anointed rather than dirty themselves up in the arena, but I don't think that makes them better.
The scandal-mongering of James Callender didn't keep John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton from participating in the process. And that guy didn't pull any punches or worry about libel.
VanillaMan
· 3 months ago
The political climate in this country and in this State combined with the weak economy, huge deficits and budget shortfalls have created an atmosphere which drives away from politics people who might be able to have an impact on some of the problems facing the citizenry.
Not quite. Every disaster scares away the weak while the heros to show up and help.
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Will he win? Almost definitely not.
Competition's a good thing, people, regardless of one's chances of in an election. Remember way back when in early to mid 2008 and everybody was calling for Hillary to just give up and back out? Does anyone doubt that Obama having a few extra months of primary campaigning didn't help out in a big way come the general?
Who knows? Maybe a strong showing by Hynes could help knock some sense into Quinn and help him become better oriented as a candidate.
==I’m pretty positive Quinn can’t win in November against a credible challenger.==
Thank God he'll be running against an Illinois Republican then. :)
Well said!
If the Primary Election were held today, 9-23-09, I suspect Quinn would win.
Quinn's real advantages at this point are #1, he is the current governor and #2, he's being propped up by the Machine.
(yes, Mayor Daley John McCain was correct that there is a Chicago Democratic Machine)
It's not so much that Quinn is necessarily doing anything right for Hynes to quit now, though. Quinn is not as strong he and others think, and based on that I would agree that Hynes should stay in. But, his campaign needs to be run more competitvely and needs to be way more strategic in its execution. It seems like the wheels have come off the Hynes express.
Because Quinn isn't that strong, maybe Hynes may be able to put the wheels back on and cover some ground?
might as well make the race interesting.
Also could set up a Hynes, McKenna race in the fall and encourage all of Illinois to catch up on it's sleep.
I mean sure, pretty much everything has gone against him at this point, but it's September. This is going to be a long race and anything can happen.
I suspect in the end this won't be that close of a race, but it's WAYYYYY to early to know that.
He should never have announced in the first place but now that he has then Hynes has to stay in.
Is that really the message we want to send. If not, we'd better hope both Hynes and a Republican mount a solid campaign and keep the many alternatives to this future Quinn regime at the forefront.
Guess this is a sign that Capt Fax is rolling in moolah right now and does not sell a lot of nifty on line ads to Hynes.
Stay in ...or else Dave Winters might bring his comedy act to run against SubGuv.
He should get into a knock down, drag out brawl with Quinn over which of them can take more food off of our families' tables with unnecessary and job-killing tax increases.
They can also show which of them can drive more entrepreneurs and jobs out of Illinois with their corruption, patronage, and counterproductive progressive tax system plans.
They should also spend as much of that union bribe and contractor "pay to play" money they'll raise fighting each other.
That will make Fall 2010 an election even a McKenna could win!
boring and pretty empty, but everyone has a right to run. could
make Quinn look good.
Also could set up a Hynes, McKenna race in the fall and encourage all of Illinois to catch up on it’s sleep.
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Anything that would encourage catching up on sleep is a great thing.
Are you really a republican? Really, c'mon, the truth now. BTW - McKenna ain't the only GOP candidate out there.
If Hynes doesn't beat Quinn, but runs an aggressive negative campaign (which the polling indicates he needs to do to win), and then Quinn loses the general election----What would be the fallout for Hynes?
In my opinion, he would be labeled a two time loser (2004 Senate & 2010 Gov) and spoiler. I think his political career would be toxic for a least the next couple election cycles.
Can Hynes deal with that scenario?
Yes, he should. I don't see Quinn as a lock in late September. The easiest thing to do will be to tag him as Blago's running mate. That alone's worth the chance.
I don't think anyone's paying attention yet.
It's a real shame that some of our Congressmen didn't run for this seat. I guess they're nice & cozy in their Congressional seats.
In the general, I can't see he or any other semi-worthwhile candidate losing to Dillard or McKen-uh. Quinn, on the other hand, lacks the political dexterity to run a mistake-free candidacy/trial governorship. Simply put, Quinn makes me far too nervous in the General as a Democratic voter. He's a populist figure, not a governor (with a small G). It's time for him to start a non-profit, become an adjunct professor, and release Rosen so his fundraising talents can be put to better use.
Quinn has at best, soft support. Hynes is as boring as the day is long, but someone might as well try to challange Quinn, for Quinn beneift if nothing else.
In my opinion, he would be labeled a two time loser (2004 Senate & 2010 Gov) and spoiler. I think his political career would be toxic for a least the next couple election cycles.
Can Hynes deal with that scenario?
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It's not as if the Hynes family are just getting into politics. I'm sure that they, the Madigans, et al., were discussing that very scenario--and possible options--decades ago at the dinner table as their kids were growing up.
It’s a real shame that some of our Congressmen didn’t run for this seat. I guess they’re nice & cozy in their Congressional seats.
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I don't know about "nice & cozy", but agree overall. Peter and Elizabeth immediately come to mind.
Wordslinger, I agree that no one is really paying attention. That's sad under the circumstances. But people not paying attention plays into Quinn's hands. The best he can hope for is a low voter turn out, which is ironic given all that he has stood for over the course of his political career.
Quinn made a good political move by quietly sweeping talk of his 50 percent tax increase proposal under the carpet until after the Primary. I don't know why the Democrats didn't just take their lumps on the tax hike this year and get it over with. Rocket Scientists that they are they decided to wait till the actual election year with an even worse budget. LMAO & voting republican in the primary and general!
Why oh why did he decide to do this NOW? I predict a loss to Quinn. And Quinn can do this. Win, I mean.
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Fan, Dude, take a deep breath. It's OK...whatever it is.
Dan Hynes is a good guy. He should be considered a candidate for one of our major offices because out of all the freeloaders and scalawags fighting at the public trough, Hynes has always been cleaner and corruption-free. This is Illinois. Why would we be shunning an experienced competent guy like Dan? We should be lucky to get candidates without a rap sheet, let alone someone with a decade of experience in public office handling our fiscal tramas.
Hynes would be a good governor. Unfortunately, his political staff is clueless. Are they from out of state? From Mars? How could anyone advise Hynes to do the stupid political stunts that have backfired on him? If any of them were left after his primary loss - he should have shown them the door by now. Dan Hynes' problem isn't competence - it is the lack of competence in his campaign.
Hynes should fire them all and start from scratch. They have let him down repeatedly.
If he had a radically different agenda, I could see the point of his running. Hynes for Gov just weakens the Dems statewide in 2010.
Don't worry about losing. Make a strong and compelling case about the kind of state you want to raise your children in, the kind of state we all want Illinois to be. Get specific, don't worry about offending the powers that be. Take on the sacred cows and call them out. Tell the voters what they need to know, the things that cautious politicians never say. Tell it like it is, and then tell us how you would make it better. Be specific and blunt and speak from the heart.
And damn the consequences. Be a breath of fresh air for once. Run an insurgent's campaign the way no one else ever dreamed of. Lay out a vision of what Illinois government should look like in 2020, not 2010. Inspire people with your campaign. Think big and bold.
If you do this, the election won't matter and your political prospects for the future will improve. This is the message people want their leaders to give. Give it to them early and often.
And have a ton of fun barnstorming around the state while you're at it. You've decided to give up the Comptroller's office, so this is it. If you're going to go for it, go all-in and run the kind of race that will make your supporters proud.
That's funny. I wonder why. They hated him until January of this year. He couldn't draw 5 people to his fundraisers including his own family. Now, all of a sudden, they are lined up around the block, checkbooks in hand. What changed? Oh yeah! This is Illinois.
Dan Hynes is sitting on $3.5 million and will likely have $4.0 to $4.25 by primary day (if not more). That's a lot of dough for TV ads blasting Quinn and improving his image. I'd say this isn't over by a long shot. Will tomorrow's question be "Should Quinn quit the race?"?
The competition between Quinn and Hynes will make whichever candidate emerges a stronger general election foe.
The long primary slug-fest between Obama and Clinton only strengthened Obama in the contest against McCain.
Do you really want four more years of democrat rule over the state of Illinois? How did you like the last 8? Corruption, scandal tax increases, government waste, democratic party bickering, power in the hand of one at the expense of the many, etc. These are the question for voters to answer and things for them to consider.
I'm the type of person that should be in the Quinn camp and I'm completely undecided. Quinn hasn't accomplished anything as governor that inspires my loyalty. And I think Quinn's political reform agenda is mostly cheap populism with little substance.
money will keep the Dems in office come November, add all the GOP candidates funds together and it won't be as much as either Quinn or Hynes.
In my view, Hynes is directly challenging Quinn far too early. With all the mismanagement of the Blago/Quinn Administration he has many good targets to hit, but first Hynes needs to define himself.
My point about Hynes first dealing with losing is that great competitors never think about losing once they step into the ring, but you never want to step into the ring if you can't take the punishment. In Hynes case, it could be career ending.
yes, he should stay in.
i'm so happy we aren't talking candidate blago this go around.. he would hv run again:(
I'm just asking. I'm not saying. Just asking.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone reference this, anywhere...to anyone. I'm calling shenanigans on that.
Do you realize how imbecilic you look when you misspell imbecile?
Sheesh, man. Go to your local cc and take a basic writing class.
Second, Hynes should stay in the race. Quinn has done nothing to inspire confidence in his leadership style. One day he's for something, the next it's off the table. He can't seem to make up his mind about anything. And it certainly seems like he isn't doing anything to move away from the Blagojevich playbook. If he's going to lead, then he should lead and stop flip-flopping on every issue he takes up.
Lastly, Hynes may be boring, but I'm willing to take a look at him. We just went through a debacle with a good "politician" and that certainly didn't work out, to say the least. I'd much rather have a Governor who bores me to death and can govern than a politician who can give a rousing speech and then not deliver on anything.
Pat Quinn is the accidental Governor. He hasn't earned the position. A little competition is a good thing. He should have to earn it. As a life-long Democrat, I'm not comfortable going into November 2010 with a candidate who spent all of 2006 running around on record defending Rod Blagojevich. I can see the Republican ads now.
First, it's reeks.
Second, a week ago a bunch of Quinnites were saying I was biased towards Hynes.
Y'all need to make up your minds. lol
It's not like he asked if it takes more than 100 years for a baseball team to win a world series if that team should be forced down to AAA or something.
I do enjoy the stirring of the pot. Nothing makes for better political theater.
This is going to be fun.
Just because the SEIU or AFSME endorse Quinn doesn't mean they will go to the mats for him. I'm sure they would be happy with Hynes too.
Sorry, couldn't resist. (And stand down folks; I know both spellings are accepted. Just having fun.)
life long democrates are all physically sickened by both the quinn and the hynes scenario….we need a new untarnished face to run illinois gov.
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Hope you'll consider a Republican then!
It's "Quinn" not "Quin"; and yes, this is an instance where a dictionary and thesaurus will fail thee.
Herman "Paddy" Bauler uttered the famous line, "Politics ain't beanbag", which is true and it was never for the faint of heart. But, the political climate is now considerably more dangerous as it can result in ambitious, agenda driven prosecutors conducting investigations which, even if they result in no charges, destroy a person's reputation and leave them penniless.
This may be why we have such a poor field of candidates.
Like who?
I don't buy it. There are White Knights who want to be anointed rather than dirty themselves up in the arena, but I don't think that makes them better.
The scandal-mongering of James Callender didn't keep John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton from participating in the process. And that guy didn't pull any punches or worry about libel.
Not quite. Every disaster scares away the weak while the heros to show up and help.