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Re: Quinn to take veto action this afternoon

Six Degrees of Separation — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:17:44 -0000

DD-

I do not promote "government as the solution for all problems" and often have a libertarian streak...however, in drastic times, temporary measures, however distasteful or against one's grain, are sometimes necessary. I remember my great uncle's stories of working for the WPA and helping build US highways in the south for $1 a day. It wasn't a great job, but it beat starving, and he later spent many years in the oil business as a net taxpayer after his service in WWII. And even though I am against mortgaging the future in principle, we (US) have borrowed and spent huge sums of money in the past for much less noble causes than keeping our citizens afloat by employing them until things turn around.

Re: Quinn to take veto action this afternoon

wordslinger — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:41:45 -0000

--Those programs (WPA, CCC, etc) did little to relieve the unemployment crisis of the depression. Socialism does not grow economies. Just ask any Soviet citizen.--

DD, sorry, but I have to ask: Are you out of your John Brown mind?

At the time when Communism and Fascism were on the march, how in the world did putting unemployed people doing productive work constitute Socialsim?

Re: Quinn to take veto action this afternoon

Amy — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:13:07 -0000

...aren't we all supposed to be in this for the people these programs support? Enough of this petty talk about private vs. public jobs etc... think about the people who need these services, not your own well being.

Re: Quinn to take veto action this afternoon

jojo — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:38:35 -0000

Anybody else find it ironic that Steve Brown said the July 14 date was picked to cause the "least amount of disruption" to lawmakers' lives?? Guess the people being laid off as we speak don't deserve that level of respect.

Also, I'd love to be able to say where my tax dollars should go - I bet human services and education fare better in that scenario!

Re: Quinn to take veto action this afternoon

Captain Flume — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:25:25 -0000

SB1197 was vetoed

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Anon — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:21:03 -0000

Although I hate the idea of cutting services for the needy, I have no respect for people who claim that anyone who is against raising taxes to pay for services is somehow inhuman. It is the taxpayer's money, and they should have some say in deciding whether to spend it on something for themselves rather than on services for others. And everyone chooses to spend their money on themselves in preference to the "needy" to some extent. If you have ever ordered the more expensive cut of steak rather than give the increased price to the poor, you are, at most, different in degree only and not in quality from the hardest-hearted person yelling "don't raise my taxes." If you want someone to pay more for a public service and keep less for themselves, you need to persuade rather than condemn.

Re: Quinn to take veto action this afternoon

off the record — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:19:48 -0000

Is there a list of the specific bills that were vetoed? Or any info anywhere?

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Capitol View — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:12:39 -0000

It's vetoed. Thank you, governor.

Re: Quinn to take veto action this afternoon

Six Degrees of Separation — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:07:55 -0000

WOW-

To be fair, sometimes they made the Snickers a little bit smaller rather than lay off people or raise prices. It's a possiblity with the state's services, too. Same yummy taste, only a little less of it.

Re: Quinn to take veto action this afternoon

Josh — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:06:47 -0000

If the Governor is vetoing the 50% budget, why is he still directing his agencies to implement it?

Re: Quinn to take veto action this afternoon

jojo — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:03:53 -0000

Does anybody know what's going on? Can't find any online feeds, link above won't load...has the presser happened/started?

Re: Quinn to take veto action this afternoon

springpatch — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:03:14 -0000

fed up I am saying the tax increase is the only fair way to get our of the mess..... i shouldn't lay on the backs of state employees... I take it you are not one of them..... I agree some poeple need to go... upper manage who are not qualified for their jobs, temps and contractual employees ..
Lets break it down an average person making 35,000 gets little over 1,000 taken out at the current 3% tax rate thats little over 40/ a pay check if paid twice a month. at 5% means 1750ish taken a year out of your take check which means an addition 30 a pay comes out of your check per paycheck. SUCKS your losing an addition 750 for the year to the state of illinois which hasn't done its job in protecting its citizens.

Some projects should but cut and there shouldn't be any pork in the bills but like always there is.... and hundreds of employees at nonprofits getting laid off but it doesn't impact you except for your paycheck might decrease if theincome tax passes so why care? GOD I wish more people only thought of themselves.

Re: Quinn to take veto action this afternoon

WOW — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:01:02 -0000

sorry fired people ... not fied them.

Re: Quinn to take veto action this afternoon

WOW — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:00:09 -0000

I said it was the first step they took. Then they screwed with pensions, gave furlough days and fied people in droves. It isn't a pretty economy for anyone is the point.

Re: Quinn to take veto action this afternoon

OneMan — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:56:37 -0000

Wow --

Wished I had worked in some industries that had the pricing power that you think they have.

Re: Quinn to take veto action this afternoon

fed up — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:56:16 -0000

Wow what a surprise a state employee saying give me more give me more. Guess what we are tapped out time to try and survive in the real world. Layoffs are happining everywhere its time to combine some agencys cut some managment staff and get did of conslutants and assitants and spokepersons. Maybe just maybe instead of demanding more more more the state employees could come up with some cost savings but that might qualify as work so they will have to check with the union.

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CircularFiringSquad — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:54:24 -0000

IIS Website not working and they are not answering the phone

Re: Quinn to take veto action this afternoon

WOW — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:53:06 -0000

I am not a state employee but from the arguements above what the people who claim to represent "private" employee's fail to see or understand is that the first step most of their companies took to be solvent wasn't to fire people or cut their pensions. The first thing they did was raise rates. So a snickers went up, the dentist raised his prices ect. But when the above private employee lobbyists would like to see the public employee lobbyists do is totally backwards of what they do. They don't want the state to raise revenue they want them to down size but still give everyone what they want. Public employee's pay taxes just like private employees buy snickers and go to teh dentist.

Re: Quinn to take veto action this afternoon

OneMan — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:50:48 -0000

Macbeth --
I have worked for companies where shareholders (and the market) have basically said, reduce costs.

Re: Quinn to take veto action this afternoon

Macbeth — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:43:08 -0000

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First off the tax increase would be more than 20-30 bucks a month and I for one believe we could get by with less state employees.
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How does one guesstimate this? Is there a sense that, durnit, there's just too many of those state employees? Yeah, cause that veteran's home in Quincy is positively overrun with state employees. Wait -- what's that? Oh. Okay. The veteran's home employees can stay. Okay.

Then yeah, that driver's license facility is *overrun* with state employees. How about we close it down on Wednesdays, too?

Wait -- what's that? You want those folks to stay so you can get your driver's license on a Wednesday? Ah. Okay.

"Getting rid of state employees" is a codephrase to punish someone for the craziness but to make sure that person punished is affiliated with the state -- except *not* affiliated with any of the state services that you use or might use or might want to keep.

That's like me saying, "Gee, I think we can get along with fewer Motorola employees." Or: "Gosh, we could *definitely* cut some of those AT&T folks. Definitely."

It's all venom -- pure and simply. And it's venom mostly by people who will squawk the loudest when the state service *they* need is cut.

The same crazy folks who plaster their tinted window vans with bumper stickers about inane isues.

Re: Quinn to take veto action this afternoon

fyi — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:30:53 -0000

IIS will carry it here: http://www.illinois.gov/ioc...

Re: Quinn to take veto action this afternoon

fed up — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:26:24 -0000

Springpatch so we as a whole should pay 20-30bucks a month to save you because your a state employee. First off the tax increase would be more than 20-30 bucks a month and I for one believe we could get by with less state employees. Mike Madigan doesnt need a spokesperson he can answer questions on his own. Thats probably 85-100k we saved right there. After we get rid of the unneeded programs and the waste the GA wont even combine state agencys like Quinn wanted then implement pension reform for new hires and eliminate the double dipping pensions for pols and the work 2 months at a new state job increase your pension 20k scams then we need to consider revenue upgrades. A few new casinos some slots and video poker at the airports, Sell the state airplane Blago used, have lisa hold a bake sale she isnt doing anything apparently. All of this before any tax increase and the tax increase needs to be temporary.

Re: Quinn to take veto action this afternoon

Obamarama — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:25:20 -0000

Any idea where the veto/press conference will be streaming? I've got nothin' so far.

Re: Quinn to take veto action this afternoon

Bill — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:17:34 -0000

==After all, he can always raise taxes.==
Apparently, no he can't.

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Cassandra — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:14:16 -0000

Speaking of Secretary Adams, who seems to be not only a Blago buddy but a Quinn buddy, what's new with the Howe Developmental Center? DHS runs this center but, during Adams' watch, it lost its federal certification two years ago so state taxpayes have had to pay the entire cost of the facility for the past couple of years...to the tune of tens of millions of extra dollars annually. I guess Adams and the state employees running the center didn't see meeting the federal standards as a priority. After all, they'll still get their pay (including a nice raise starting today and two more raises between now and January) whether the center meets federal standards or not.

A number of governmental and advocacy groups and observers have recommended shutting the place down. Last I heard, Quinn was holding that up.
I guess a state facility that provides, by numerous accounts, very substandard care, is better than no state facility at all. And what's a few tens of millions of dollars of unnecessary costs here and there.

After all, he can always raise taxes.