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Does this mean IF the Government shuts it's doors, let's say for August, that the State Fair is toast? Or would it be moved to a later date?
Really the idea of the State Fair going on if the state government has to shut down is really stupid. No budget by August 1st Blago do manly thing and cancel the fair.
I'm increasingly thinking the Gov's Budget crisis is similiar (but less deadly) than the Iraq debacle. Both the Pres and the Gov. believe they are right and eventually everything will work out, despite all evidence to the contrary. I don't see the Gov having any real strategy for resolving the crisis other than sticking it out.
The guv loves his testicular virility, but maybe he needs to think with his brain that's hiding underneath all that hair and realize he is not going to get everything he wants and needs to work with the legislature, not just be in the vicinity of Springfield.
Clearly, the legislators -- and perhaps the governor, too -- don't understand the implications of a shutdown to normal, Illinois citizens. And if they do -- if they're doing this *despite* an understanding of the implications -- then it's appalling.
Billions are flowing into the state treasury as we
speak. If bills need to be paid, the mechanisms are there to do it.
The guv and legislators should take as long as necessary to pass a budget that does not unduly burden the middle class taxpayers who pay the bills here in Illinois.
PA's gov just ofrdered a shutdown WITHIN THE past month.
Really, all bull aside, they are not underworked. There have been real cuts under the governor.Vacancies have not been filled forcing one person to perform functions previously performed by two or three.
Frankly, most are underpaid from what I can tell, except for a few. I wouldn't do their jobs for double their pay and besides all that a lot of them have to live in Springfield.
Blago really doesn't care if he shuts down the fair. It means that he doesn't have to go. Wasn't there some incident with him and reporters and his daughter last year?
The unions would have a field day, with that.
Yes, the reporters "ambushed" him with questions at one point and he happened to be holding his daughter. At some point she started crying and he got indignant. Well, the reason they "ambushed" him is because he was not making him self available to the press much prior to that time. From wht I've heard, some previous guvs even had arrangements where the press would leave them alone for some family time at the fair then give interview time to the reporters, but not Blago.
Some people even joked that the reason his daughter started fussing was that daddy was poking her in the ribs to cause the ruckuss to get away from the media.
Shutting down the state will be disasterous to downstate. Shutting down the Fair will cost the state Plenty as the sales taxes will be lost. We have all the hotels filled and people eat out etc. If the state gets shut down, does the Gov, and the legislators get paid???
Not much is getting done to resolve the budget impasse, I think we will have a government shutdowm on July 1. Blago will try unsuccessfully to blame others. Cancelling the State Fair would be poltical dynamite downstate. So we will have another interim or final budget before the State Fair starts a week or so later.
In other words, if there's a shutdown -- and I hope there isn't -- but if there is, I would assume it'd be for 24 or 48 hours tops. Does this endanger the state fair?
Does all that work really need to be done. Or is it being "done" to provide jobs--the tail wagging the dog.
On a related note, the Sentencing Project has just come out with a report highlighting the disproportionate racial makeup of US prisons.
A black male born today in the US has a likely, astonishing one in three chance of going to jail at some point. And in Illinois the incarceration rate per 100,000 population is 223 whites vs. 2020 blacks. We haven't heard much from the patronage job hungry Blago administration about those numbers. We haven't heard much from the black community either.
But those jails do provide lots of cushy state and local government jobs. Democratic patronage jobs. Yes, they do.
Those prison jobs are not exactly cushy, and not very well paid. Perhaps you should try to walk in one of those state worker's shoes for a day and see for yourself. I'm sure it could be arranged.
Your bias against all government workers is clearly evident when you say that working in a prison is a "cushy" job.
And, Dan, a shutdown would impact a whole lot of things, but it would have to go on a long time to knock the DuQuoin fair out.
I was a IDOC prison guard for 12 years until I left to start my own business. While I often agree with a lot of your comments you are a mile off base with this one:
"But those jails do provide lots of cushy state and local government jobs. Democratic patronage jobs. Yes, they do."
Bluntly - you wouldn't last ten minutes on a housing unit with that attitude. If you believe that working as a prison guard is a cushy job - by all means APPLY. I can tell you that the state is currently paying out tens of thousands of hours of overtime annually just to keep the prison at minimum staffing because staffing levels have fallen so dramatically under this Governor. Vacation time? Forget it. Relief factors are down to nearly zero at all facilities. And, by the way, there isn't ONE state prison that isn't 100% over design capacity. Sure is cushy.
As to the "Democratic patronage jobs" claim, this is political puffery and you know it. Line staff are not patronage jobs. It is true that the upper ranks (Chiefs of Security, Wardens, Assistant Wardens, Directors and Deputy Directors) are packed to the gills with political hacks put in by Blago (and all the former Republican governors - by the way) but the line staff are not. In fact, the ONLY Democrat I ever voted for in my life was Poshard and that was because he was far more of a conservative Republican that Ryan was. When I was hired I took the test, took a physical and went to the academy when called.
Please lay off the state worker bashing...I am not even a state employee anymore but it still strikes me as over the top. The percentages of useless employees in the public sector are likely about the same as the private sector; to claim otherwise is nothing but intellectual dishonesty.
2. If the state fair is cancelled, and my wife misses Daughtry, she will be [PLEASE DON'T SWEAR IN COMMENTS, EVEN BY USING "SYMBOLS"].
I will not argue that there are some patronage jobs, but they are fewer than you think. I am fortunate to have worked on both the private and public sector. I can say with all honesty I would put my State crew up against ANY Private sector group doing the same type of work (with probably two times the pay)
Your sterotypical attitude towards state workers shows your ignorance. I am not sure what you do professionally, but feel free to apply for a state job and come do it for half the pay and see if it is an easy job. That is of course you could get an A on the state exam.
I think her isue may be is that she is lumping all gov't employees together; from the Cook County, Chicago City, etc into one huge pile of lazy.
1) The Governor continues to refuse to compromise or negotiate in good faith;
2) Madigan and Jones are unable to reach an agreement;
3) Madigan and Cross pass their own budget, and the Senate fails to take a vote on it;
If these three things happen, a state shutdown is likely. Madigan and Republicans know that Blagojevich, and to a lesser degree Senate Democrats, will foot the blame.
On the otherhand, if:
3B) The House passes a budget and the Senate votes it down or passes their own budget, or neither chamber passes a budget;
I think a shutdown is slightly less likely, because then some of the blame could fall on the House, and Madigan has worked diligently to ensure this falls at someone else's doorstep.
That said, I think 3B is unlikely, because:
A)I think Madigan and Cross have plenty of votes;
B) I doubt you can get 24 Senate Democrats to vote against modest increases in Education and for a government shutdown;
C) I don't think there are anywhere near enough Senate Democrats to pass a budget that requires the kind of revenue increases Blagojevich/Jones have previously talked about, especially when they know its DOA in the House (BTW, Madigan would hold a vote on the Revenue side of the Senate plan, and watch it go down in flames.)
But until she comes back, I would seriously like to offer her an opportunity to visit a state prison. I took a tour a few years back and it was certainly an eye-opener. I'll help set something up for her.
Anyway, back to the topic at hand, which is....
uh....
OK, I just scrolled up. Government shutdown!
Rich, I suggest the Vienna prison where there is a staph infection being passed between the staff and the inmates. By the way, the DOC officials and the governor have expressed no concern over the matter!
If the Governor vetos a budget or significant parts of a budget agreed to by the House and Senate,after a two month impasse,that he essentially created by refusing to consider reasonable alternatives and compromises,then I think he's really going to be in big political trouble.
And I'm not talking about the front line jobs although there would be fewer prison guards needed
in those types of jobs if the US (and Illinois) had more sane and less racially discriminatory sentencing practices. That's because there would be a lot fewer people in jail. And the jobs themselves might be less difficult and dangerous if prisons were better equipped, less crowded, and run by professionals instead of political hacks.
No, I'm talking about all those "management" jobs
that surround those frontline workers. Management jobs are far more available to patronage hires (frontline jobs tend to be unionized, and hiring is regulated by union rules) and the job descriptions can be written so as to require a minimum. Assuming that the front lines have some ability to do their jobs, why do they need so many managers to follow them around. They don't, probably.
Everybody is missing my point here, anyway. I said I thought it was manipulative and cruel to threaten state workers with a shutdown. And I said the money needed to pay them is there, even if the pathway to it is blocked by self-serving pols.And I said that incarceration in Illinois is disproprotionately inflicted up on African Americans. Nothing new or controversial there.
But, the shutdown is likely to happen simply because Governor Blagojevich refuses to back away from his proposed projects, and Sen. Jones seems to be following the governor's lead. If Sen. Jones were to see the writing on the wall and get the senate to pass a budget, then a shutdown might be avoided.
A shutdown will really hurt many people who count on their paychecks for mortgages and other bills. I know I certainly can't save anything on my salary and I have several graduate degrees to back up my being "overpaid".
Cassandra - I have a question for you - have you ever worked for the State of Illinois? If so what department?
Huh? I can answer your question I'm sure - no she hasn't, or she wouldn't even have those thoughts. This is from someone who spent 27 years as a State employee. The last 2 under a ship of fools.
The little man can further insulate himself from the media and just issue press releases, especially if any of the indictments hit close to home.
I'd bet money that very few people even know what an actual shutdown would do to the activities of this state! The consequences will go on for a long time in law suits and paybacks.
" . . .Oh, for the days of Donnie Snyder at IDOC…"
Check out Fitz's indictments of today. Is that the same Snyder? UhOh!
Sorry for my near use of a semi-offensive word. But my wife WOULD be PeeVED (a better word, I hope) if the State Fair got cancelled. Even if it got moved back a week, you can bet that 90% of the acts will not be able to re-schedule, and we'll be stuck with Steppenwolf 2007, Peterbilt drag races, and an Elvis impersonator revue.
They do it because they can. Also, IDOT has a fairly secure stream of funding from the Road and Construction funds (what's left after the massive diversions to the General Fund) and federal-aid highway funding.
They ran out two career deputy directors in the Division of Highways as part of their "material reorganization" a couple of years back suupposedly due to lack of work. They replaced one of those deputies with Roy Dolgos when he got in trouble for screwing up Veterans Affairs and needed to be moved out to make room for the new darling, Tammy Duckworth after she got spanked by Pete Roskam. We are hearing they will be filling the other supposedly unnecessary deputy director with some mope who is sick of "working on the budget" downtown.
They are placing people who are buddies of Jay Hoffman into positions of authority in the bureau in charge of urban planning without any related education, training or experience. Playing golf with "Hoffy" is sufficient qualification for six figure employment in today's IDOT.