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ethnic card, but, no, he has no chance. But
there is a chance he will do some torch parade
thing because the man is nuts.
nice win for Alvarez, who kept it classy. Bet
Milan and his minions are in heart failure.
Laesch should push for a recount.
also Laesch did awesome considering the money spent by Foster and Foster's endorsements. The kid deserves much credit.
We had two codes in Kane County. One per ballot and the first code was the regular primary election. Novice voters or people just perplexed by the dial machine (old guys like me) could easily forget to punch in the second code for special ballot. It could explain the disparity in totals.
vs. Blago primary race, if there is one.
Of course, if Obama wins the Presidency (and maybe
even if he doesn't) Alexi could be a huge deterrent to a Lisa sweep, assuming Blago continues his downward spiral in public opinion.
The Latino vote = the Catholic vote in Illinois? Obama wins Protestants, he wins white Protestants, but he splits Catholics with Hillary basically 50-50, and he narrowly loses white Catholics. And they were like a third of the electorate. Hillary's bright spot here.
The other thing that is remarkable, absolutely remarkable, is the African American vote in the state's attorney race. The sole black candidate did not run strong in the black wards. Not all of the precincts have completely reported but he didn't even break 50% in 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 9, 15, 16, 17, 24, 28 and 37. These are wards that Roland Burris repeatedly got in the 90's and even John Stroger got in the 70's and 80's. That is shocking to me. Even in Brookins own 21st ward right now he is only claiming 61%.
We've seen many elections where candidates claim that they are going to siphon off the AA vote and most pundits and analysts dismiss them as unrealistic because it never happens. Well here it happened, and largely without a high profile effort by one candidate or the other. It's not like the non-Brookins vote in the AA wards went all to one candidate, Suffredin, Alvarez and even Tom Allen got in double digits in most of these wards.
I'll pay good money, really good money, for someone who can explain what happened and why.
Hardin 54% 33% 11% 1%
Calhoun 53% 39% 7% 1%
Pope 53% 38% 7% 1%
Gallatin52% 40% 7% 0%
Johnson 52% 39% 7% 0%
Massac 51% 42% 6% 0%
Perry 50% 44% 5% 0%
Hilary's numbers first. I may be wrong.
Schock can be beat if Colleen Burns is the candidate.
Would Laesch's Democratic supporters jeopardize his chances in the Special by pulling a Republican ballot? Your crossover theory makes no sense, and I don't buy it. If there was any crossover, it didn't seem to help Lauzen as he lost by a good margin in both the regular (14%)and special (12%), which was very surprising to me.
Your theory of voter confusion is much more plausible. Maybe Bill Foster's supporters were able to figure out the special ballot better than Laesch's supporters.
I think the SA race totals prove that the black vote is no longer blindly monolithic. THe conventional wisdom was that the whites would carve up the white vote and the blacks would vote for Brookins in huge percentages, allowing him to slide in the side door with 30% of the vote.
This generally accepted but patronizing logic failed to produce for Brookins, probably because Jesse Jackson Jr. delivered for Suffredin and because the black community rightly feels burned by voting in that idiot Todd Stroger. Todd got in because the community was "told" to vote for him. Brookins' collossal failure in this election might be a harbinger for a more informed and potentially less monolithic black electorate. That might not be good for the power brokers, but it would be welcome news for democracy in Chicago.
Peraica has no chance at beating Anita. He cannot run on the political argument that he is a reformer and will watch the budget. He was praying that Brookins even Larry or Allen won. His argument may have worked with them. Not with Anita. She wins easily 63-37.
Darkhorse - Monday, Feb 4, 08 @ 12:47 pm:
State’s Attorney race is wide open. But, Alvarez will get womens vote and appears to have some momentum. With that said, here is my prediction.
Alvarez will pull off a Giant type of upset.
Alvarez- 26%
Allen- 23%
Larry- 22%
Brookins 21%
Milan 6%
Brewer 2%
I know voters who know Obama, and know Oberweis.
They didn't have a clue who Laesch or Foster or Lauzen were...
I'd try and explain those three, and then explain the two ballots.... they'd often glazed over before I could finish.
...but I don't think the ones I talked to were all that unrepresentative.
Oberweis is like Clinton, a candidate with high negatives. He's got a lot of work ahead of him.
Foster's a poor campaigner in my opinion. I've watched him in action.
All-in-all, a very disappointing race between millionaires.
Elgin used to have a active Socialist Party a hundred years ago. I wish they would return.
Also in some places it appears they were not 'pushing' the special so that may be the reason for a bit of an undervote.
Before you get on Cunningham's case you may want to take a look at the issues they had in Aurora (different authority)
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/bea
connews/news/779360,2_1_AU06_POLLS_S1
.article
Danny should've stayed out of that race, or he should've backed Jehan. I'm confident that if Danny ever tried to run for anything other than Comptroller, African Americans will not vote for him.
You're a good Comptroller, Danny. Settle in -- you're going to be there for awhile.
The folks at my station did their best to explain, but it was hard.
Our voting machines require a weird kind of hand-eye-brain cooridination too. The temptation is to touch the screen but you have to use the dials instead. And then your fumbling with palm cards for the names of people down the ballot, etc...
People just forgot to enter that second code for the second ballot.
Peraica campaigns on his opponent's baggage. If Alvarez has any, it sure didn't surface during a pretty negative Dem primary. Strike one. Peraica needed to go up against an AA candidate with a lot of baggage (like Brookins)to launch a negative campaign with the hope that racial politics would also come into play. Alvarez is not only Hispanic, but a female ... now gender voting plays a role, and she wins that one. Strike two. Peraica needed to play off against a someone entrenched in the local Dem political establishment in order to present himself as the only hope for reform. Alvarez didn't have much support from that, and doesn't seem to have any major political experience. Strike three, he's out.
In the county, it's all machine so it can be a little less intuitive. I would be interesting to see what the undervote was in Kane vs. Kendall.
That might well work for another GOP candidate, but I think the general perception of Peraica is "creepy" rather than "clean" or "competent." Peraica just does not have a personality that people would trust.
Alvarez is going to win by 30. In a time of "change", people are going to vote for "no change" when it comes to SA in Cook County.
The broken clock on the landing is correct twice a day.
I was surprised by the Alvarez win, though. But I didn't think for a second that Brookins would win.
As far as Schock goes, the Dems absolutely need to run against him. Contest every district. If Schock continues to run his mouth, there's a good chance he'll find a way to alienate his entire district. The kid lacks common sense.
Not entirely Illinois centric, but Obama won more total votes in New York than Hillary won in Illinois (Obama - 696,000 in NY, Clinton 643,000 in IL). Obama also won more votes in Illinois than Hillary won in New York (Obama - 1,256,000 in IL vs Clinton with 1,001,000 in NY).
Congratulations to my state for getting out there and voting!
New York has 7 million more people, roughly, than Illinois has.
Turnout in Illinois rocked.
Recount it will be, and John made a promise to keep fighting until the troops come home. Not only John, but his beautiful wife Jen are in it for the long haul.
In ONLY 4 counties did Obama come within 5 points of Hillary. He won 1 county be a 1,000 votes or so.
In IL,
--In Bond County, Hillary lost by 5 votes. 48-47% Obama.
--In Calhoun County, Hillary swept 53-39%.
--In Clark County, Hillary lost by 5 votes. 46 to 46%.
--In Clay County, Obama won by 3%.
--In Clinton County, Obama won by 4%.
--In Fayette County, Obama won 48-46%
--In Franklin County, Hillary won 49-40%
--In Gallatin County, Hillary won 52-40%
--In Hamilton County, Hillary won 47-39%
--In Hardin County, Hillary won 54-33%
--In Jefferson County, Hillary won 46-43%
--In Jersey County, Obama won 48-47%.
--In Johnson County, Hillary won 52-39%.
--In Lawrence County, Hillary won 48-45%.
--In Marion County, Obama won 48-46%.
--In Massac County, Hillary won 51-42%.
--In Monroe County, Obama won 49-47%.
--In Montgomery County, Obama won 49-46%.
--In Perry County, Hillary won 50-44%.
--In Pope, Hillary won 53-48%
--In Saline, Hillary won 47-42%.
--In Union, Hillary won 47-38%.
--In Washington, Obama won 48-47%.
--In Wayne, Obama won 47-45%.
--In White, Hillary won by 8 votes, 46-46%
--In Williamson, Obama won by 32 votes, 47-47%
I think Southern Illinois sent a pretty strong message to Barack Obama, I'm guessing he won't hear it though.
I was shocked by the margin of victory Schrock won by, but don't count out the Callahan family. They will bring in some big hitters.
No one cares about the "deep south". Instead of giving percentages why not state the number of votes of the number of delegates? That would show how really irrelavent you are. The only reason Bubba was in Southern Illinois was to get on St. Louis TV. The civil war is over and you were all yankees anyway. Grow up.
Some combination of top of the ticket voters who pulled a GOP ballot in the special or didn't care enough to vote it. Then add forgot about the second ballot or wasn't informed by the judges.
Peraica? No. Her suburban vote total alone came within 600 votes of Tony.
Here's something for you to chew on.
In city of Aurora and Kendall county, there was actually an OVERVOTE of the Special vs. the Regular Primary in the R race. There was a rather large UNDERVOTE in Kane County.
KANE REGULAR:
Oberweis 21971
Lauzen 17051
Dilger 911
KANE SPECIAL:
Oberweis 19904
Lauzen 16540
UNDERVOTE - 3489
AURORA REGULAR:
Oberweis 2512
Lauzen 3122
Dilger 99
AURORA SPECIAL:
Oberweis 2634
Lauzen 3497
OVERVOTE - 398
KENDALL REGULAR:
Oberweis 5930
Lauzen 5028
Dilger 217
KENDALL SPECIAL:
Oberweis 6290
Lauzen 5403
OVERVOTE - 518
It boils down to whether blacks take it out on the highest profile hispanic on the ballot because they dissed Obama?
Blacks may also show remorse for having voted against Peraica and in favor of Stroger now that they have lived to regret it.
With all due respect, you're nuts.
All three of them will probably try to take credit, though. Don't fall for they're b.s. Anita.
Yeah, we had once pct in particular where the over vote (took a Dem regular primary and a GOP special) was rather high. Most places it was just a few and from what I heard it was almost always D vs. R. But enough that we could have been that much higher, not surprising. In part the dems had a interesting judge race in most of the city, so I suspect that was part of it. There was more than one home with a Democratic judge sign and a Lauzen or Oberweis sign as well.
I don't know in the county if it was just a switch the other way, machine issues or what it was. It will be interesting to see the canvas. I would say the Aurora canvas would be interesting but they can't produce it electronically so you get literally almost a ream of paper when you ask for it.
It doesn't help that the celebrity D candidate backed out of the race. Woud've been interesting if he had shown more interest and hung in.
At this point, I truly believe Schock is unbeatable. He could even be a lifer if the chips all fall in place. Who are the Dems going to put up? Callahan would still lose 60-40.
Peraica loses badly. I can smell that one all the way down here in Springfield.
Alvarez and Clinton.
There is real reason to recognize the political pull female candidates can have on voters when the male opposition blathers aimlessly towards one another when three or more candidates participate. Alvarez benefitted by having opponents that spent more time discussing their manly attributes more than their relevance in regards to Chicago. Considering the office being sought, talking tough usually wins the race, but Alvarez's opponents ended up lumping themselves together and highlighting her positives. This isn't the first time either. Mosely-Braun was the winner when Dixon and Hofeld smeared one another in 1992, remember?
Clinton also surprised me. For the past two weeks it was 'Obama surge', 'Camelot annointment', 'Kennedy passing The Torch', 'Obama cross-over appeal!' and other breathless and biased media coverage pronouncing the RETURN OF THE MESSIAH! Chris Matthews bathed Barak twice a day with his tongue on MSNBC and NBC. It took Heath Ledger's celebrity overdose death to knock the Obama celebrity tour off the front page during this time.
Clinton prevailed and did quite well. While Obama continues to show strength in caucuses, (if we switched to caucuses in the General, he'd win handily), Clinton won the important states, (sorry North Dakota and Idaho, I still love ya!). While The Obamaloosah lovefest suggested a nationwide surge to victory, Clinton still won in California and tied in Missouri, where Obamaniacs within the media happily nailed coffins to bury her and Bill in.
Women win elections. Last night proved this repeatedly. Their male opponents and advisers have yet figured out how to use traditional male braggadoccio yet not appear offensive on the campaign trail. Women evoke empathy, which creates support for their candidacy. Obama has done an admirable job running against The First Woman Candidate, but he is getting hurt when his subordinates fall into comfortable sexist politispeak, just as her subordinates have damanged her candidacy with remarks considered racist. Both sides need to recognize the ground-breaking candidacies of each and explore new ways to appeal to voters.
Time seems to be on Obama's side IF nothing changes, which is unlikely. The trajectory he has been riding has been a political abberation. Whether he can continue with it whereby defeating her is yet to be seen.
Alvarez and Clinton - 'da winnahs'!
Enough with the 'delegate count'. The way the Democratic Party runs their primaries reminds me of Pee-Wee Soccer Leagues giving trophies to every team. Your party focuses on 'being fair' to the point of pointlessness. Last night Clinton WON, but to a Democrat, both are winners, right?
So, in your dream world, Obama and Clinton are tied after last night. In the real world, big states like California, New York, New Jersey, Tennessee trump Utah, Idaho, either Dakota, and even lonely Illinois' support of their senator.
You couldn't have asked for more wind at Obama's back - Kennedy and half the news media were blowing as hard as they could since Iowa, yet Barak can only point to wins in 'red states' that wouldn't support a Democrat in the General, and won't support a Democrat in November. Or do you really think Idaho and Utah are in play?
But such is the hype and hope that makes up the entire Obama candidacy anyway, and with your exerience hyping Blagojevich, you are used to a lack of oxygen.
And don't forget Karen McConnaughay's convincing win as Kane Chairwoman. But I would hardly characterize Lauzen's defeat by Oberweis as a defeat for the ultra right wing. Other than a few minor sticking points, they were pretty similar on the issues, so it became a personality slugfest.
With his win (finally), Oberweis is now officially "Milk Stud" instead of "Milk Dud"
Milk Stud probably has a good chance in the special and a lesser but still good chance in November. The Obamawave caught many independents pulling a D ballot in this election (including me, although I don't live in the 14th), which won't be there for the Special Election on March 8. Best hope for the D's in the 14th in november would be an Obama atop the ticket, which is a 50/50 proposition at best right now.
And what is it with southern IL permanent chip on their shoulder? The IL congressional delegation makes sure you guys get your share of the pork and when it comes to state funds, you guys get more than you pay in, what the heck do you want, permanent obeisance? Over half the state lives north of I80, and southern IL has lost population faster than any other region of the state.
It's best they shut up and accept the pablum dribbled their way from up north, otherwise they'll get another seat taken away in the next reapportionment as happened last time. IL is destined to lose another seat after 2010.
Even as NE IL is growing, SoIL is losing, and the Sun Belt continues to outrun the Rust Belt.
March 8 has arrived.
You are a Laesch supporter who thinks that your candidate was cheated out of the nomination.
Do you take time out of your planned day to make a special trip to a hard to know polling place to pull the lever for Foster? After all, he ran against Hastert when he was Speaker when no one else would.
Nah, forget it.
It not so much a matter of conceding the 18th district forever, but whether or not the Democrats want to put resources that could be used elsewhere into a race that they have little or no chance of winning.
If I was the RNC I would be fairly happy the way the race is shaping up nationwide so far, the Republican race is pretty much a done deal at this point and it look like the Democrat side will drag on maybe into the summer or even the convention. I still think the smart money is on HRC to pull it out in the end.
Somewhere on drudge or real clear politics today is an article on single working moms. I think there is a key in there.
Look at some of these mailers of big, hulking middle aged guys, and hand it your female friends or family members for their thoughts.
Claypool, Houlihan, and Schillerstrom in DuPage. Their candidates really took it on the chin. Bill Beavers takes another body blow from the Jacksons and loses his committeman's spot.
I think the biggest loser may turn out to be Peraica. He was counting on running against Brookins. Now, he faces Alvarez who will CRUSH him in the general election. Two years from now, he loses his Board seat as does Beavers.
Oh, and to Hal who said that Daley had no hand in the Alvreez victory, think again. Did you see who was on the stage with Alvarez during her victory speech? Her family, Pat Quinn, and most significantly Paul O'Grady, the brother of Daley's former chief of staff Sheila O'Grady! Don't tell me Daley didn't have a hand in this.
This will not help in having Laesch supporters go to the polls on March 8 to vote for Foster in the Spcial.
And Joe in the Know at 10:04 a.m. is right - Houlihan joins Claypool as a big, big loser last night - just think what a difference they could have made for Suffredin had they focused all their efforts and money on the SA race instead of a race against Berrios that never had any chance of success
Bottom line: the voters almost got it right; they elected a prosecutor, not a politician. The politicians were in it for a power play, pure and simple. The voters just voted in the wrong prosecutor. Alvarez has done just about next to nothing in her 20 years in the office, other than winning the Girl X case. She is an appealing figure in her commercials, but people in the know will tell you that she disappeared when the heat was on and didn't really get much accomplished as chief deputy.
That said, she'll be much better than Tom Allen, not that that's much of a standard.
My advice for big, hulking, middle age white candidates is that they are photographed with a big smile, a bouquet of flowers, and a box of chocolates when they do those flyer photo shoots.
*Ducks to avoid flying object*
Seriously, you want to appear like the guy who works next to the single working mom at the Kroger, not like the landlord who's handing her the 30 day eviction notice.
Between the Laeschies who won't show up at the polls, and the Lauzies that won't show up at the polls, it might be a draw.
I'm very pleased that Brookins ran fourth and that the organization candidate, Allan lost. I think the Defender endorsement of Tommy Brewer sent a strong signal to the African-American, that Brookins did not deserve their support b3ecause of his history of multiple civil legal problems.
I agree that Jim Houlihan was the biggest Democratic loser - the Democratic organization really delivered for Berrios and Moore. Houlihan can expect to be challenged next time he's up for reelection. I met a youg woman who was scammed by some Democratic organization trying to help Barrios. She wanted to help Obama, but was invited to come to a "North side Obama" headquarters" around Braodway and Hood. They handed her Obama- Barrios pass pieces. She didn't even knoa who Barrios was - they told her not to worry about it - she'd be helping Obama.
I was passing 49th Ward sample ballots with Obama at the top. After talikng to her for awhile I told her she had been scammed by people trying to help Barrios - there was no "Obama North Side Headquarters." She agreed with my assessment and decided to go dwontown and make calls from the Obama headquarters instead. RogersPark/the 49th Ward has a sizeable Latino population.
I don't think I agree that Claypool is a big loser. He got lots of chits from reform-oriented candidates who will supoort him if he makes anoother bid for Cook County Board President.
Kudos to Dark Horze for predicting the Alverez victory.
Ordinary people will look past ideology to an extent if a candidate has "it" (charm, charisma, exuberance, something that people seem to latch onto in a person). For better or worse, Schock seems to have "it" in the same way Obama attracts voters who have some ideological differences with him.
It looks like I spun this so well Mark Penn decided to say the same thing!
Ha Ha!
I'd never vote for her, but I know how to scoop the poop with the pros, eh?
She ran too good of a race to do this by herself.
It was Mike Sheahan's people. Sally Daly, Skinny Sheahan, and Paul O'Grady.