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Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

Think about it — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:14:27 -0000

Real Clear

....is Real Fuzzy and thinks no one sees it.

First off--please do not referer to people's looks as a means of inferrence --it is really bad form, it is fearfully irresponsible and it sets a real bad precedence. You should really rethink and revise that [simple look] theory.

NOW THEN, LET US TURN TO A MATTER OF CIVICS. Cook County has been run like a Banana Republic... only better... if longevity is taken into account. The list of atrocities is much too long for this medium....suffice to point out that even with the preponderance of evidence--case after case of institutionalized theft of services from the truly indigent, the needy and otherwise choiceless and dependent constituencies--which is undeniable-- the principals politic and politic and politic.

The next President should resolve to just pay the deadbeats to stay home and the bogus contractors a premium for not seeking business with the County. Just pay'em. It would be worth it-- a political culture tax...an extra dip in the public fisc...so that those who truly rely on the services-- may be treated with respect.

Face it--compared to this crew, Paul Powel was a reformer. Win lose or draw...if not for the needy ...this farce would be a rolicking satirical romp in the teeth...But it ain't funny. Like Daley said, it's a blankin shame. And how.

Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

Real Clear — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:15:49 -0000

I nearly fall out of my chair laughing whenever I hear some hack refer to Peraica as a "reformer." No one who stuck with Betty Loren Maltese as long as she would help him can call himself a reformer. No one who is as closely tied to the current Cicero government as Peraica is can call himself a reformer.

A simple look at the people around Peraica and you know he's no reformer. He's gonna lose.

Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

Buck Flagojevich — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:15:10 -0000

Point well taken.

Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

Think about it — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:32:28 -0000

You guys should stop smokin' the drapes-- the whole Chicago political system is based on the obvious-- it has nothing to do with merit--especially when certain offices are politically assigned to certain minority groups for "balance" as in the Daley method--ie. the City Clerk for example...you see...balance as the master plays it. The amateurs get all bent out of shape about race. BTW it never comes up when ultra capable and competent candidates run... a non-issue with Obama and a non-issue with JJ jr. Only when there is a perceived weakness..and only within the context of machine politics does it come up. Hence the justifiable outrage about other inherited offices... in which case, not honoring the political chits and balances...the percieved double-cross is valid....but only when viewed from within that system. And that is in large part Peraica's problem... no chits, no dadies, no ties, no allegiances, no stability...and so therefor...No Way. The Sun-Times know this well.

Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

John Lee Pettimore — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:31:43 -0000

Fair enough Rich. I don't think Buck was throwing the "card", and I apologize for jumping so quickly.

Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

Rich Miller — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:20:32 -0000

Let's move on, please. And, JLP, in the future, try not to be so quick with the race card. Buck didn't say that the CS-T was pandering to Stroger's demographic. He said the CS-T was pandering to its own core constituency.

The Sun-Times has a lot of subscribers, and not all of them are African-American. If he'd said that about La Raza or WVON, I could see where you might jump. Otherwise, that was a reach.

Still, Buck, in the future try to avoid going right up to the line.

Again, let's move on.

Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

John Lee Pettimore — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:07:43 -0000

Buck,

First off, I did not call you a racist. I said your comments were racist. I don't know nor care what race you are. I was stating that for one to say that a newspaper endorsed a particular minority candidate because they want to pander to that candidate's demographic is a racist comment. Do you not see why that is an insensitive statement? If someone wrote that the Southtown endorsed Tom Dart to pander to the Irish readers on the South Side, I would say that that was equally insensitive.

Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

Think about it — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:46:25 -0000

Bull-- the only race in this race is the race to the money.

Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

Buck Flagojevich — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:28:10 -0000

Truth.

You read into my comments EXACTLY what I meant them to say. And here I was hoping not to P-O the democrats who would construe my comment as being Blago bashing.

I think Rich can attest to what happens when race bashing starts. Nobody knows what color the poster he/she or their spouses may be.

Pettimore must not of heard the old saying about assuming things.

Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

John Lee Pettimore — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:26:45 -0000

Buck:

The reason I see it that way is this: when a minority candidate receives a Trib or Herald endorsement, those papers aren't accused of giving it because they want to pander to the minority constituencies. Why should the inverse be true then?

Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

Think about it — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:23:09 -0000

In politics--do not look for logic, look for politics.

In the newspaper business--do not look for newspapers, look for business.

Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

Truth — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:52:11 -0000

Don't give Pettimore an inch, Buck. You're dead right. The Sun-Times wasn't "bought off" as some have suggested, but I think the endorsements of Blago and Stroger are a business decision and not an honest policy decision.

The Sun-Times is an "urban tabloid" according to Wikipedia, and their circulation has been flagging. Their core customer is in the City (as in Democrat). You've seen the Republicans on here promising to never read the Sun-Times again. Just think if City Dems revolted.

If I'm not right about this, then the Sun-Times editorial board is just a bunch of idiots, and I don't think that's the case.

Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

Buck Flagojevich — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:46:27 -0000

BTW. My wife, she of different race than I, would argue against your interpretation.

Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

Buck Flagojevich — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:43:42 -0000

John Lee Pettimore -

Sorry if you took it that way. The Sun-Times demo's tend to be blue-collar, City dwelling, Sports Page reading persons. They report mostly City news and in fact have a dropping circulation.

That's all.

Buck

Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

Observer — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:35:38 -0000

My question about non participation reports was rhetorical. The Illinois Board of elections web site says to file the Non Participation Report when, "If a committee does not participate in a particular election, that committee may file a Statement of Nonparticipation in lieu of filing the pre-election report." The fact that John Stroger's two committees and the 8th Ward dems just filed such reports implies they are going to have nothing to do with this election, when one could make an educated guess "dat ain't so". The $1+ million or so that had been sitting in those funds -- are not going to be used in this campaign? Who would believe that?

Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

Thom Yorke — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:20:57 -0000

Pettimore... that's just laughable. How can you possibly deduce from what Buck wrote that his comment is racist? Can you read his intentions? Can you decern, just by written word, if someone is racist?

HA!

Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

John Lee Pettimore — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:43:00 -0000

Buck,

That is a racist comment.

Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

Buck Flagojevich — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:24:06 -0000

The Sun-Times is just pandering to their core constituency with these endorsements. Gotta keep up the flagging circulation some how.

Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

Rich Miller — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:08:01 -0000

"Observer," the last time I checked this wasn't Google. Try that before you ask a question here, and then ask for help if you're unsuccessful. Thanks! :)

Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

Observer — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:54:13 -0000

You may note that the 8th ward dems and the two John Stroger committees have filed non participation reports for the coming election. Does that mean they can't provide financial support or endorsements for a candidate in November? What are the legal restrictions of the non participation declaration?

Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

Punley Deiter Finn — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:38:54 -0000

The Rich Miller Philosophy: you scratch your quill and I'll scratch my quill. Who cares what paper is scratched. Let everyone handle their own quill. (But who buys the ink?)

Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

Rich Miller — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:35:22 -0000

"Bill" wrote: ==== Peraica is the most anti-womenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s rights candidate I have ever seen and that includes Keyes and Obie.
Fast Eddie sure can pick Ã¢â‚¬Ëœem! ====

Bill, you're slipping. Badly. Try to reboot your memory card. Or did you not realize who brought Rod into Chicago politics?

Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

Rich Miller — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:33:08 -0000

"fedup dem," it wouldn't be much of a financial sacrifice to quit the column - believe me. But I wouldn't even think of resigning. That's not the way this business works. People are entitled to their opinions. They allow mine, I allow theirs.

Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

Anon — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:42:21 -0000

What Rich? No mention at all that Peraica picked up the Daily Herald endorsement and an endorsement from the Daily Southtown? Usually the Southtown just picks up the Sun-Times endorsement, but not this time. I wonder how mnay times they've done that in the past.

Re: The Stroger beat goes on and on and on

Long Time Reader; First Time P — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:03:12 -0000

So let me get this right - "Peraica is the better candidate because he isn't from the party of corruption, but because the party of corruption is also the party in power, he doesn't have the ability to change things, so we're going to endorse the corrupt idiot instead who is of the party of corruption."

Between that and the Blago endorsement, I'm never reading the Sun Times again.