CapitolFax.com: This just in… SGOPs: If SDems kept promise, we have votes for the capital bill
Lotta Liaison
· 2 years ago
I'm sure LRB is loving that.
Anon 1
· 2 years ago
Working on drafts? Going to Rules? Yeah right.
Rich Miller
· 2 years ago
lol... well, that's what they said.
CaseyJones
· 2 years ago
But Rich it has been written "The Senate will vote soon ......" Who is slowing them down? Is Madigan pumping sleep gas in to prevent the rapid action that is needed?
Rich Miller
· 2 years ago
I wouldn't put it past him. :)
ZZZ
· 2 years ago
"fast" or "early" are not words used in conjunction with the Senate. They fear the early morning light the same way vampires and jazz musicans do.
Bet you a donut this thing today falls thru by 2PM. That still gives enough time to hit a full 18 by dark.
A Citizen
· 2 years ago
I have a sense that the senate will actually pass a funding bill today and throw the hot potato(e) to the house. Then it's a race between the Speaker and gov as to who can nix the deal faster. My money's on the Speaker. Gov probably will just remain absent from the process, as usual.
Steve Trachsel's fan club
· 2 years ago
Overslept after watching the GREAT Cubs win last night. So has the Senate already approved everything and gone home? Jones did say they were going to start business at 9:30 a.m., right?
CaseyJones
· 2 years ago
did anyone actully see Blaggo in Spi on Monday or we buying the Spin Sisters' tale?
Rich Miller
· 2 years ago
He was here.
Ghost
· 2 years ago
Just imagine how much congestion could be relived if large companies and the State govt looked into more work from home programs. The Feds already utilize such a program to reduce overheard and traffic congestion.
Six Degrees of Separation
· 2 years ago
Ghost-
Telecomuting is a great option for companies and employees who can make it work. Some businesses obviously can't operate that way (such as manufacturing, restaurants & many service industries) but sales, R&D, information processing and similar businesses could all reap benefits.
From seeing the causes and results of congestion, it is apparent that spending more money on transit, high speed rail, widening roads, building new roads, expanding airports, building new airports, etc. can only get you so far. One must either live and work far away from the congestion, or refuse to step in it as much as possible, to avoid it.
Newbie
· 2 years ago
I'm struggling to follow what's going on. Can anyone simply summarize how the Governor/Senate/Madigan would propose to fund the capital legislation and the RTA debacle? Because that's the issue, right? They're all in agreement that the capital legislation must pass but differ on whether it should be funded by "gaming" additions or sales tax hikes? And all involved want to bailout the RTA/CTA but differ on how that should be funded, as well? Your help is greatly appreciated by a confused grad student.
Ghost
· 2 years ago
Six Degrees of Separation -
"From seeing the causes and results of congestion, it is apparent that spending more money on transit, high speed rail, widening roads, building new roads, expanding airports, building new airports, etc. can only get you so far."
This is the geist of where I was going. A lot of the capital expansions end up being high cost, causing even more congestion as transportations sections are closed for expansions, and provide minimial alleviation of congestion. In looking at capital spending perhaps we need to consider a cost benefit for expanding or continuing certain capital plans, and look at cheaper solutions. For example, encourage those companies who can to shift works forces or imp,ement work at home programs through tax incentives. Look into using a few well placed high speed rail terminals to shift population centers away from the chicago region. perhaps more roadway at 1.2mil per mile, or bailing out the CTA/RTA as it currently exists are bad ideas. Do all those bus routes and train routes really provide a benefiut equal to their cost. perhaps putting money back into depressed communities to start up local business's would be a better use of the dollars. A local business would require less travel, etc and revitialize the area. We seem to approach congestion with the same inept tools, build large expensive transportation systemes, without ever stopping to think is this really a good use of the dollars?
Team Sleep
· 2 years ago
The greater metro St. Louis area isn't much better, either. But I'm sure Chicago is awful.
Time magazine had a great article several years back about the effect of traffic and congestion on the average office worker who lived in the suburbs and drove into a city such as Chicago, LA, DC, Philly, etc. The study the article was based upon basically asserted the idea that no matter how many miles you drive or how long you are in the car, any amount of congestion and traffic will cause anger and emotional problems. Even ultra-calm people have to admit the effects of a day-in, day-out traffic crawl. It would drive me insane!
This is why mass transit systems that are EFFICIENTLY RUN are so important. If you mismanage a transportation system, the whole infrastructure of a city can crumble. If the CTA doesn't get its act together, it's possible that some businesses and the IOC will decide Chicago to be an unfit place.
CaseyJones
· 2 years ago
So you actually saaw his skinny misshapened torso slinking around the Statehouse?
Anon
· 2 years ago
HB 3667 - Cullerton's CTA bill. He filed a technical amendment.
Do we think that Jones is being forced to show that the Senate can get something done and vote on the Cullerton bill? If so, Jones can legitimately say that he accomplished someting Madigan could not.
Six Degrees of Separation
· 2 years ago
TS and Ghost-
There is a continuing debate between "new urbanism" and "sprawl" - one suggests we should try to densify as much as possible and be served by transit, the other suggests we let growth spread from the cities wherever it goes and provide for it, likely with roads.
There is a new train of thought that is considered a "radical" idea, that suggests instead of packing people in or spreading them around highly populated urban areas, we ought to be "dispersing" the entire population for sustainability, with semi-rural living and no population center bigger than 20,000, in order to promote a sustainable, congestion-free society. In areas where this already exists (like 90% of the counties in IL) there are no congestion problems to speak of. It would probably take a nuclear war or 2 to make it happen, but it's an interesting thought.
Mr. W.T. Rush
· 2 years ago
What did JCAR do with Blaggo's latest insurance scam? They were meeting today and the Blaggolawyers were going to slip in some emergency rules. Rich send your stringers(aka Trib and Sun TImes out to check)
Beavis
· 2 years ago
Huh huh, Frank Watson said "Crapital" (2:10)
butt head
· 2 years ago
thats cool
GettingJonesed
· 2 years ago
Now that is what I call lawmaking. So they'll back about 5. Everyone will be yelling at VandaliaFrank how he is dishonest (*()^( and then they go home.
Huckleberry
· 2 years ago
Anyone know what SB 1110 is about. doesn't look like a capital bill but the rest of the three are gaming, GO bonds, and mass Trans. Anyone privy to that.
Anonymous
· 2 years ago
JCAR suspended an emergency rule filed last month that would have required insurance companies to file quarterly reports of various kinds of coverage data starting Sept. 30. The problem was not with the kind of information being sought, but the fact that it was sprung on insurers in the form of an emergency rule that wasn't really necessary. A regular proposed rulemaking with time for public comment would have sufficed. (There is one in the pipeline now)
A Citizen
· 2 years ago
Bill, are you smell'n the Bacon yet? I think I got a whiff about a half hour ago.
jwscott72
· 2 years ago
I can smell the bacon from 15 blocks away. I also see the veto pen being silent this go around.
2 casinos in Chicago with a Board controlled by appointees of the Mayor and the Governor? Why not license the casinos to the mob? At that rate, we know it would be ran effectively.
A Citizen
· 2 years ago
It's true, The Outfit does run a darn efficient gambling business! The problem comes in collecting the taxes - They don't complicate their business with that little detail - that's what makes them sooo profitable!
Anon
· 2 years ago
If the SGOPs agree with the capital bill, will they agree to the funding sources, i.e. the bonds and additional gaming to service the debt on the bonds?
The 'Broken Heart' of Rogers P
· 2 years ago
I get it, the mayors gotta get the children off of Navy Pier before the gamblers take it over.
jwscott72
· 2 years ago
Darn. I forgot about that one little detail! :)
Team Sleep
· 2 years ago
Six, there also isn't anywhere near the amenities or employment options in the smaller areas. Congestion isn't typically an issue, but driving 45 miles one-way for work isn't pleasant, either.
If sprawl continues outward, eventually other areas currently not in the "Chicagoland" area but somewhat(such as Rockford, Kankakee, DeKalb, Belvidere, etc.) would be gobbled up. Prices there would raise even higher and they would be caught up in the sweeping, outward expansion.
GettingJonesed
· 2 years ago
ANON 2:55 they had to spring it cause the Dept rules czar was on vacation and they want to do it behind his back. "Shot, Aim,Ready"strikes again. TeeHee
Six Degrees of Separation
· 2 years ago
TS-
If "new urbanism" is the trend, land prices in urban areas will skyrocket, too, especially near transit corridors (supply and demand).
Sprawl development also raises land prices in general, but there's always less development to fill the available land than the market will bear. Witness the recent run-up and crash in land prices in the outlying areas of Kendall, Will, etc. It will take decades and decades for all those farm fields to fill up with houses, if ever.
Dispersion is the best antidote to high land prices, because any liveable acreage is fair game, thus increasing the amount of available land (again, supply and demand). And with telecommuting, etc. it becomes an option, and a much less congested one.
Gregor
· 2 years ago
It's criminal to pave over so much good Illinois farmland and "wilderness" areas with short-sighted sprawl. Denser living with better transit is the only sane approach, long-term. If we can organize it right, the denser living opens up more surrounding land for parks as well as farming. Absoultely, the state should not support sprawl, and the various regulations and other means of "encouragement" or incentive and disincentive at the state's disposal should be aimed at discouraging sprawl wherever possible.
All Comments
Who is slowing them down? Is Madigan pumping sleep gas in to prevent the rapid action that is needed?
Bet you a donut this thing today falls thru by 2PM. That still gives enough time to hit a full 18 by dark.
Telecomuting is a great option for companies and employees who can make it work. Some businesses obviously can't operate that way (such as manufacturing, restaurants & many service industries) but sales, R&D, information processing and similar businesses could all reap benefits.
From seeing the causes and results of congestion, it is apparent that spending more money on transit, high speed rail, widening roads, building new roads, expanding airports, building new airports, etc. can only get you so far. One must either live and work far away from the congestion, or refuse to step in it as much as possible, to avoid it.
"From seeing the causes and results of congestion, it is apparent that spending more money on transit, high speed rail, widening roads, building new roads, expanding airports, building new airports, etc. can only get you so far."
This is the geist of where I was going. A lot of the capital expansions end up being high cost, causing even more congestion as transportations sections are closed for expansions, and provide minimial alleviation of congestion. In looking at capital spending perhaps we need to consider a cost benefit for expanding or continuing certain capital plans, and look at cheaper solutions. For example, encourage those companies who can to shift works forces or imp,ement work at home programs through tax incentives. Look into using a few well placed high speed rail terminals to shift population centers away from the chicago region. perhaps more roadway at 1.2mil per mile, or bailing out the CTA/RTA as it currently exists are bad ideas. Do all those bus routes and train routes really provide a benefiut equal to their cost. perhaps putting money back into depressed communities to start up local business's would be a better use of the dollars. A local business would require less travel, etc and revitialize the area. We seem to approach congestion with the same inept tools, build large expensive transportation systemes, without ever stopping to think is this really a good use of the dollars?
Time magazine had a great article several years back about the effect of traffic and congestion on the average office worker who lived in the suburbs and drove into a city such as Chicago, LA, DC, Philly, etc. The study the article was based upon basically asserted the idea that no matter how many miles you drive or how long you are in the car, any amount of congestion and traffic will cause anger and emotional problems. Even ultra-calm people have to admit the effects of a day-in, day-out traffic crawl. It would drive me insane!
This is why mass transit systems that are EFFICIENTLY RUN are so important. If you mismanage a transportation system, the whole infrastructure of a city can crumble. If the CTA doesn't get its act together, it's possible that some businesses and the IOC will decide Chicago to be an unfit place.
Do we think that Jones is being forced to show that the Senate can get something done and vote on the Cullerton bill? If so, Jones can legitimately say that he accomplished someting Madigan could not.
There is a continuing debate between "new urbanism" and "sprawl" - one suggests we should try to densify as much as possible and be served by transit, the other suggests we let growth spread from the cities wherever it goes and provide for it, likely with roads.
There is a new train of thought that is considered a "radical" idea, that suggests instead of packing people in or spreading them around highly populated urban areas, we ought to be "dispersing" the entire population for sustainability, with semi-rural living and no population center bigger than 20,000, in order to promote a sustainable, congestion-free society. In areas where this already exists (like 90% of the counties in IL) there are no congestion problems to speak of. It would probably take a nuclear war or 2 to make it happen, but it's an interesting thought.
So they'll back about 5. Everyone will be yelling at VandaliaFrank how he is dishonest (*()^( and then they go home.
2 casinos in Chicago with a Board controlled by appointees of the Mayor and the Governor? Why not license the casinos to the mob? At that rate, we know it would be ran effectively.
If sprawl continues outward, eventually other areas currently not in the "Chicagoland" area but somewhat(such as Rockford, Kankakee, DeKalb, Belvidere, etc.) would be gobbled up. Prices there would raise even higher and they would be caught up in the sweeping, outward expansion.
TeeHee
If "new urbanism" is the trend, land prices in urban areas will skyrocket, too, especially near transit corridors (supply and demand).
Sprawl development also raises land prices in general, but there's always less development to fill the available land than the market will bear. Witness the recent run-up and crash in land prices in the outlying areas of Kendall, Will, etc. It will take decades and decades for all those farm fields to fill up with houses, if ever.
Dispersion is the best antidote to high land prices, because any liveable acreage is fair game, thus increasing the amount of available land (again, supply and demand). And with telecommuting, etc. it becomes an option, and a much less congested one.