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Somehow, the Trib got some leak that it was going to be a "50% Tax Increase!!". And all the talk about exemptions doesn't help people who don't know what the heck an exemption is.
Quinn should have come out from the start (before the leak) and framed it as - all income below the poverty level would be tax free, no matter who you are... taxes shouldn't get in the way of food, housing, or medicine... etc...
That is easier to understand than "we are raising your exemption from $2,000 to $6,000".
They tried to do a little bit of messaging on the "taxes will only go up for a family of 4 over $60,000/year" line, but didn't hammer it home enough in quick soundbites.
But it doesn't help when the newspapers (especially the Trib) deliberately try to create confusion on the issue.
We've watched this government play games with the balanced budget requirement by not counting billions in bills, kicking multi-billion dollar cans down the road in order to live for today. Watched Blagojevich show up on television after being publically humiliated. Watched Blagojevich nominate Roland Burris who is now facing possible perjury charges.
We have a freak show for a government, and now they want to charge us more! We are getting ripped off at the tax rates we are paying now.
The politicians can pretend that all of these horrible experiences over the past six years is over - but we haven't seen a change! What we are now seeing is a real fiscal crisis, after years of hearing a "little boy who cried wolf" kind of political crisis generated by a governor out of control.
Excuse us for being cynical, but we have real reasons to be cynical. No, we don't want our taxes raised. We want good government - first!
And isn't that sad that when public servants actually try to serve, they are thwarted by the politics of the situatiion?
We keep insisting that we have public officials who are competent and ethical and work for the public good. Yet those who act in such ways are often trampled by those who are more politically "attuned."
The best case is to have a person who can enact policies that float and has the accumen to navigate the political waters. Those people are few and far between. And in the long run, I think, the political machinations tend to erode the good policy tendencies.
I think the solution Quinn came up with is functionaly a good concept, but I agree selling it very hard.
At the end of the day many areas of our State governemnt have been cut too much. We lack the services for farmers, and regualtors for banking etc that we should have etc. he whining about goverment being big and inefficient is just talking points. Right now Illinois is wasting more money covering up for a lack of adequate personnel. See the recent problme with the ISP crime labs bein short of needed employees.
For years we have focused so much on the "fairness" of taxes that we have gotten away from the idea of paying the true cost of goverenment. We need to pay the expenses based on the actual costs, not just what we want to pay. No more robbing peter to pay paul in government operations. We are so enamored of the idea that governemnt is big and bloated that we let Blago overly reduce govt and then privaize huge chunks of work, at greater cost, through contracts, vendors, outsourcing etc. We need to stop thinking of Govt in stereotypes as big and unneeded, and start realizing our society is dependent on governemtn for regualtion, protection and support. We need to stop looking for magic funding an using sin taxes built on the poor. We need to pay the true cost of govt and stop hoping to get something for nothing.
How about freakin' trying? We aren't even seeing an attempt here. Our statewide officials would rather face us with their spin, than each other, aren't they? That is because they know each other's BS, understand the political chaos they face, and have circled the wagons. And who, are their attackers? We are! The folks who paid for the damn wagons!
When a government has proven itself unable to function, I do not want it raising the prices it charges us to continue performing so incompetently.
Quinn is out there mouthing ethical reforms that require constitutional changes, so in effect, he is really just mouthing truths without effective action - aka -wasteO'time. Do you hear the Illinois Democrats, you know, the guys in charge, echoing these truths enough to believe they might actually try something to improve our government?
Me neither.
Instead, they think they have us over a barrel, claiming that the "end is near", holding a gun to our heads and demanding more to perform our public service. Considering how well they do their jobs, it is like being held up by the Three Stooges.
Not another dime until someone over there at the Capitol demonstrates an attempt to change what is obviously wrong in our state government.
I agree, but we also need to rethink what we want government to do. Do we want government to be as big as it is?
The final tax plan will not be a 4.5% tax on individuals. This will be cut down to 4%, the exemptions phased in, and a source for more bonding will be passed. Whether it is using the cigarette tax increase, a shift to the streamlined sales tax to allow more out of state revenue or bundling small sales tax increases for a dedicated bond source, a tax increase will pass this Spring.
Ain't no way no how we are going to see another sales tax increase.
While I don't disagree with the fact that "the media" can improve in many, many ways...Illinois' problems aren't the fault of "the media", they're the fault of bad decisions made by "the government".
Why should a single person, no kids get a hike when they are less likely to be dependent on additional state services?
I think Quinn would be well-served, and is obligated, quite frankly, to present a no-tax-increase budget.
Right now, he's being pounded on his tax increase proposal by folks who don't have the guts or responsibility to propose a reasonable alternative. Give them what they want; a no-tax-increase budget that makes the planned pension contribution, pays back old bills and gets the state on a 30-day payment cycle.
After all the yelling and crying is over, we can get serious.
Your are right we are broke and we have to do something about it.
The sales tax in Chicago/Cook County is so high that many of us drive to make bigger purchases to save on sales tax.
Quinn should have come out and said, before the Tribune put the scare to folks, that he is trying to make tax paying fair and modify it to do this.
Also he needs to stop with the third airport in Peotone. Most people worried about tax increases aren't doing a lot of flying anyhow, and this is just a thorn in their sides. Isn't there a better place to put a third Airport? do we really need one?
Now, they are crying for more revenue, when they knew this day would come. The surprise was the depth of the recession.
These democrats ares the same people that approved and allowed Blagojevich to issue millions in debt on a bet the market would work. The made a bad bet and lost. Now, the taxpayers are suppose to pay for their mess. The government is putting people like Madoff in jail for similar financial shenagians.
There are many things that gov't can do to increase constituents confidence in their elected officials. We need someone who can articulate a well thought out plan that lays out what is going on and how to address it. Right now there is a proposed budget that doesn't address the issues and a tax increase that won't begin to to bring in the revenue that is needed. More of the kick the problem down the road that VM mentions.
As for your "all income below the poverty line would be tax free" comment, what do you mean by that? Do you mean that you won't pay any taxes - income, gas, sales, property, license/plate, etc etc? Which taxes are you going to forgive? What stake does anybody at that income level have in our state/country if they pay no taxes at all? People should pay taxes proportional to their income. It is only fair. If you think that people who have higher paying jobs and more personal wealth are going to work hard to pay for someone elses services in an unfair system you are mistaken. Raise taxes unfairly to the rich (I am not one of them, I am a lowly state employee) and you see revenues drop. Jack Kennedy knew this, so did Bill Clinton. History has proven this time and again. That's why what is happening is so worrisome. We are in a monstrous hole and can't find the way out. Raising taxes in a recession will not solve the problem(s).
I do believe I read some headlines early on about Quinn's proposed 1.5 percent increase which stood until word got out that we pay 3 percent now so that's not 1.5 percent increase, it's 50 percent.
Either way, not one more nickel.
Having said all that, you'd think Quinn would try a little harder on the government sacrifice and waste elimination side. His 1 billion plus cuts are vague and speculative. His bailout is based on a tax hit that primarily affects the middle class, borrowing, pie in the sky demands on employee unions which he must know are unlikely to fly, and corporate tax increase proposals which the private sector will swat aside like a pesky spring fly.
But other than Quinn's voluntary pay cut (spare me...keep the money) where is the real sacrifice.
It's isnt there, except for us middle class shmucks.
Check your paystub -- what % is going to federal taxes? FICA? Medicare? What % of your take home pay is going to property taxes?
There are nifty little buttons on most calculators that will do the ciphering for you if you treat them right.
You can understand it. I can understand it. Will the average Joe/Jane understand it? Highly improbable.
Blagojevich and democrats, for example, took money from gas taxes, spent it on something else, social programs, and now there is no money.
Read Rish's piece again to understand what he meant by the confusion. It stems from the formula that is proposed to make sure that lower income people w/certain conditions (multi member family, etc) don't have to pay additional taxes. I certainly had no trouble figuring it out but many people hear "50% tax increase, listen to the MSM, freak out and vote the current crop of bums out.
What is the rest of your proposal?
Taking defense out, of course, you'll find that 90% of the state budget is the same. It's K-12, DHS, Medicare and public safety. Start whacking.
Cutting waste has always been the mantra for those who may not know the entire picture. I have worked in the private sector in manufacturing and have worked in non-profit orgs before coming to the state. Waste doesn't just occur in gov't. It is pervasive. Rich has made it clear you won't reduce the deficit significantly by cutting payroll. Assets have been sold to pay for operating expenses. It is a horrific mess. Cutting waste ain't gonna do it.
There have been many discussions here and elsewhere about how to fix this. Viable short term solutions don't seem to exist. The problem is acute. Short of the state winning its' own lottery many times over I don't see relief any time soon. The state will raise taxes but I will be surprised if revenues match expectations.
Go against the grain. Drastically lower taxes so that businesses/employers flow to the state from elsewhere. Create a better business climate. As the country comes out of the recession Illinois would be better poised to reap the benefits.
Not a short term solution but tried and true nonetheless.
The current state income tax rate is 3% of gross income. If you raise that by 50% the tax rate will then be 4.5%. That is an increase of 1.5%. That is half again what 3% is. In other words, a 50% tax increase. Get it?
Pat Quinn is right that Illinois' tax system is regressive.
Pat Quinn is WRONG that raising the personal exemption makes it LESS regressive.
As you point out, it just increases the proportion of taxes paid by people without children, and provides a bigger tax break for those with kids.
Now, you can certainly argue that making the tax code more kid-friendly is good public policy.
But an equally valid argument is that a FAIR tax policy asks those with kids and larger families to pay MORE.
After all, MAJOR chunks of the state budget only provide a DIRECT benefit to those with children. Like K-12 education, KidCare & FamilyCare, etc.
At the end of the day, increasing the personal exemption does benefit low-income families with children. But it also benefits the Pritzkers of the world who have children too.
And I don't think raising taxes on three single workers who make $16,000 a year (by $80 each) so that the Pritzkers can get a $240 per child tax break makes much sense. And THAT is what Quinn's approach essentially does.
What makes much more sense and would make the tax code less regressive is increasing the IL Earned Income Tax Credit, bringing Illinois more into line with neighboring states, easing the tax burden on ALL low-income workers instead of just those with kids, and costing the state's tax coffers FAR less.
George and Rod might have been personally corrupt, but the General Assembly went along with the 10 or 11 budgets that have since left our state in this condition.
VanillaMan is right, and maybe it's time for the constituencies that back those that have governed us into this mess to start sacrificing, as well.
Instead, the state will now just raise the taxes on the constituencies that didn't put us into this mess. What a sad truth, and it doesn't put us any closer to solving the structural problems the state is facing.
Fine, but let's apply that logic to EVERYTHING:
- Let's eliminate the $1.7 BILLION in corporate tax breaks Illinois currently hands out until these companies can PROVE to us that there's a reciprocal public benefit.
- Let's eliminate the $2.4 BILLION the governor proposes spending at the Department at Commerce and Economic Opportunity for the same reason.
- Let's eliminate the more than $1 BILLION we currently spend at the Department of Corrections, since doubling the number of people we incarcerate since 1975 and lengthening sentences clearly hasn't made us any safer.
If we take these steps, we can avoid a tax increase AND ensure our state pensions are fully funded.
Come on Republicans! Who's with me?!?
We have only one party in power. The other party is hardly a factor. SO, all the Democrats have to do is - something! That is, show us that they are sincere before they raise our taxes. Why is this so hard for them to do?
Yeah, it means they will have to step on some of their constituent's toes, and they would rather stomp on our toes because we haven't stomped back at them. We are good people! We have a lot of patience. We've been sitting around patiently for a decade, watching this Soap Opera of National Embarrassment and being laughed at in at least 51 different languages.
Time is up! Sorry the economy has imploded while you people dithered! You had ten long years to give us hope before it has come to this, and nothing has happened folks!
A government that cannot govern has no reason to believe that it's citizens will happily cough up more of their wages during a recession when they are tightening their belts.
That is also a fact, Jack!
We understand why the Democrats are spinning crazily for a tax increase. On the other hand, why can't the Democrats understand that we are fed up and even if we weren't economically melting down, we would want their heads? The Democrats are delusional in thinking that our anger towards Springfield is simply a matter of 1.5% income tax increase.
It is watching a capitol full of failures telling us to trust them when they say they really need more of our money at a time when we have lost thousands in our future income.
It isn't just the math, it is the damn attitude!
Dan -
Grammatically speaking, it's either "a 50% increase in the income tax rate" or "a 1.5% income tax increase."
The percentage is an adjective, which modifies the following noun.
Its correct to use "50%" to describe the RATE increase, but the absolute value of the increase is only 1.5%.
Make sense?
The proposal is a 50% income tax rate increase from 3% to 4.5%, or a 1.5 percentage point (not percent) income tax rate increase from 3% to 4.5%.
To pay for an emergency (created by his own party's six year misrule he wants a permanent increase in a tax rate plus many, many, many fee increases (a tax by any other name...)
Let's do real capital planning on a five year basis, not a game of musical earmarks hidden by the use of current revenue sources. A five year Capital Improvement Program, updated and extended annually, funded by a specific tax levied for that purpose and no other. We call that a state wide property tax used to pay tax exempt bonds issued for those specific purposes (against Federal and State law to divert.) Free up the current receipts from income and sales taxes for current operating expenses.
Politicians slaver over the thought of an increase on the books without an expiration date in any tax rate. After we solve an emergency, it is the gift from the taxpayers that keeps on giving, It is the reelection crutch they all want and need.
TJ, not judging the merits of your proposal, but I think the name of your revenue source needs a little work. The Red-Hot Poker Where The Moon Don't Shine Tax might be a bit more politically palatable in this state.
We are not the ones who caused this mess, and as good citizens, are demanding those who did nothing while our state budget collapse, to pay the price - not us.
What?
The citizenry has elected every one of our legislators and governors for a very long time now. These people just didn't descend from Mars.
Therefore, to extend your logic, they should pay the price.
Someone may beat me to it but I'll say it anyway. Of course, we are the ones who caused this mess. We elected these people. Someone will then say, "I didn't vote for RodB". While that may be true (it certainly is in my case), it doesn't matter. These are our elected representatives. If they don't do the right job it is our responsibility to work to get them voted out of office. I am not so naive to think that is easy but it is the system we have.
As far as having those who caused this problem pay for this, how will that work? Are you suggesting we garnishee their wages? Confiscate their assets? Put 'em to work on a chain gang? Can we realistically solve this horrific mess by "making them all pay"? They can be removed from office by their constituents and replaced but that won't put a dime into the general fund.
As voters, we depended upon two political parties to provide us with our choices for elected offices. In many parts of Illinois, there is only one choice on the ballot.
It is wrong to blame our elected officials for the decisions they made in our name, but it is OK to blame everyone? Nah, it doesn't work that way.
The Illinois Democratic Party has had near total control over Illinois for a decade. (Or, am I missing some GOP statewide office holders?) After a decade, they still couldn't come to a consensus other than raising our taxes, or playing budget games with our balanced budget requirement? What did they think would happen? How long did they think they could play these games? Gee, everyone knew this was going to end. I remember hearing President Jones clearly stating his belief that Illinois didn't have a spending problem - it has a revenue problem. That was a few years ago.
One of the things we discovered about the Illinois Democratic Party through it's impeached governor, Rod Blagojevich, was that even with a gubernatorial cap on income tax increases and solid majorities in both houses, the Party had no interest in budgetary discression. They fingerpointed as the cost of living could somehow justified their expensive government expansions and budgetary destruction.
We are not to blame for this. Promises were made to gain votes to secure an even stronger majority for the Illinois Democratic Party in both houses, but the only thing they delivered were unpaid bills, exhausted credit ratings, and now tax increases. Voters never approved of these things.
Blame is not to be spread around, or in the end, nothing is learned and we repeat the mistakes.
In your syndicated column you may have miscalculated the revenue shortfall associated with the expansion of the exemption. You said,
"Quinn's tax exemption reform proposal took a tax hike that could've raised almost $6 billion down to only about $2.5 billion."
It seems like the shortfall should be
$4000 times 0.045 times the number of people, about 12.9 million, which equals $2.3 billion per year instead of 6 - 2.5 = $3.5 billion.
You may have done the calculation assuming no exemption instead of the current $2000 exemption, resulting in a number that's 50% too high.
Even so -- if that's correct -- it's still a substantial amount.
Because the federal government does transportation bills every so many years, which require state and local matches. Because we've drained the Road Fund and because we otherwise don't have the cash on hand, it requires a massive bill.
With regard to the shortfall due to the change in the exemption, I'm still not sure how it can be higher than $4000 (the difference due to the change) times 4.5% times the number of residents, as I calculated previously.
Instead of creating a shell game to cover another shell game, why not end the diversions of the road fund (which could fully fund a good-sized transportation capital plan including roads and transit) and use property and sales tax revenue to cover the holes in the general fund and to fund school and building capital projects. Keep the apples with the apples and the oranges with the oranges.
I would agree. Instead of just tossing out we need cuts, we would be better served by actually saying, Governemtn does X, I do not think we should have or need goverenment to do x so lets eliminate it. We need to move away from the sterotypicial generalization of government is too big so it just needs to find wasy to reduce itself. lets look for what we dont want, and discuss whetehr that is a real cut. With that discussions we need to recognize that we need to pay the actual costs.
Ill start, lets get rid of CMS.
Simple and uncomplicated is truly what we need....agreed Quinn is not executing reforms, just drudging up old fixes that no one wants or can understand.
So you want the police to be given motiviation to tak in money... how much should they charge you to process evdience from the brugarly at your home? How much should you have to pay for them to look for your stolen car? How about the fee you should pay every time they arrest a criminal, or drug dealer etc.
Do you really want every state agency sending you a bill or fee charge for the services they provide?
chirp, chirp, chirp
The new projects need to be identified in a Capital Project program. Unless emergencies intervene they should be part of a five year program set at a certain level per year and funded by State of Illinois Bonds. The Program will be updated annually and extended out one year each time by the executive and approved by the legislature. This is the ideal area to be funded by property tax supported General Obligation Bonds.
It is hard to judge the total property valuations in the State on a current basis. The last published totals were for 2006 and were above $331 billion. A millage rate of ten cents per $100 EAV would support a 450 Million 5 year Bond issue at a cost of $50 per 150K house. On a 29 year basis at the same rate that millage would support a $4 Billion plus bond issue.
$50 bucks a year I refuse to describe a "only $50" but a governor might be able to sell that easier than a 50% increase in the income tax rate.
Now we come to the second and third categories, improvements and extensions, repairs and replacements. One again a program needs to be written for a rolling five year period and funding needs -- again in the absence of an emergency -- to be assigned (prioritized). Here is where the motor tax should be sequestered and applied.. To a great extent it can be allocated based on the the counties from which it was collected, but modified to a certain extent based a formula for miles of state roads, for instance.
Doing it this way the State can achieve transparency and a measure of equity., something perhaps that the taxpayers may more greatly desire than the legislators themselves.