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For the record, I'm a cubs fan.
Give him credit though. He was honest about what happened, he's not creating the usual controversy surrounding "was it intentional or not?" He did it. He moved on. He made it easy for everybody else to move on too.
:)
If the NBA cannot tell Jenks' intentional miss from an intentional hit, they have bigger problems being able to steer American baseball into the future.
What a bunch of babies!
TIB (This is baseball)
and as Tom Hanks would say, there is no crying in baseball.
It looked to me like Quentin may have leaned a little into that pitch, but that's also part of the game.
===I got in trouble. I paid my dues. I paid my money. They sent me to correctional houses. ===
Huh?
lol.
I truly love Ozzie Guillen.
Rich forgot to mention that the Rangers won the season series 4-2.
Oddly I can see both the cubs and the sox winning 70 games and losing 70 games because of pitching that lives up to playoff level talent or doesn't.
Also, just remember that next time we're sitting in the upper deck so the "real" Sox fans can have a go at you and your cute little Rangers outfit. lol
That's the way to send a message late in a close ballgame. Throwing behind a batter sends the same message as going high and tight with less risk of putting the runner on.
If I had to pick a team in the loathsome American League to root for, it would be the White Sox. As a Cardinals fan, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Secondly, Bobby Jenks has pinpoint control and can run the radar gun up around 100mph. Did he choose to go high at tight on Kinsler with a fastball? No, he threw well behind him with a pitch that looked to be in the upper 80s. This demonstrated his true intent (and restraint), which was NOT to hit Kinsler, it was simply to send a message to the Rangers...lay off the bean ball.
I'm a Royals fan, and I certainly have no love loss for Jenks or the White Sox organization. But MLB needs to get a grip and leave this incident alone.
MLB needs to be consistent but since he didn't actually hit him, the fine and suspension shouldn't be as long as if he did.
A 97 mph heater is a hard pitch to get out of the way of. We've all seen pitches get away from a guy when he's trying to cover the plate, what happens if this pitch gets away? Maybe he releases too early and it goes to the head or the hands. It's simply too dangerous of a game to be playing when you're throwing a baseball at nearly 100 mph.
For all of you "part of the game" guys, I know where there's a cage that pitches a 95 mph fastball I'd love to take you to. I've been hit by one in a game in college, no fun.
That was how I was brought up on baseball, and it's missing from today's game.
In this rare instance-I applaud Jenks and crazy Ozzie. Jenks stood up for his teammates. Nice job.
Yep. And it's no fun when one of your young players gets kneecapped, either. Something has to give eventually.
I too was at that game, and I don't really care that Jenks through the brushback at Kinsler. I am aware of the animosity between these two teams. I was also at the game in Arlington when Nolan Ryan beat living you-know-what out of your beloved Robin Ventura. Still, I think an investigation of Jenks is a little ridiculous.
However, the Sox get beaned more than anybody else, especially Quentin who clearly makes no effort to ove out of the way of any pitch. So maybe the investigation should be into your hitting coach who apparently teaches his batters to lean into pitches.
I am idiot. obviously I meant to say "threw" not "through." Ugh.
Suspension for being stupid.
However, Jenks acted entirely appropriately. Heck, I remember last year (or was it 2 years ago) when the Rangers kept beaning our players and yet the Sox pitcher was ejected when 1 Ranger was hit. Unfortunately, Buehrle has too good control to "accidentally" nail someone, and no Sox starter is a real hurler who can intimidate with their fastball. So it's up to a reliever to send the message, and I give big props to Jenks for stepping up to that role.
This is perhaps one area where I'll admit the Cubs are better. Zambrano would have no problems hurling a pitch (or a bat) at someone in retaliation. Of course, it would be dismissed as more Crazy Z shtick and he would get off scot-free.
Good idea. Then we can discuss what we blow up on the field on the 30th anniversary of Disco Demo. Make a good Q of the day :)
No one hit, no one hurt, why punish Jenks? If they do then any pitcher who actually hits and/or hurts players should be punished.
You better run to the limo after the game if you are going to keep on wearing a stupid Rangers costume at the cell.
Apparently, the same Nanny State that wants to ban talking on cell phones, even when there's no accident or other violation, now has found its way into baseball.
What's next? Milk, cookies and a nap to replace the 7th inning stretch?
RICH: I'd love to hear Kinsler's take.
It's all in a game, right?
and that's how it should be played. i'm sure Jenksy is very popular with his mates cause he's backing them up.
screw a suspension for this. they can barely handle the illegal substance issue and that spell way more damage to the game. call the fouls as you see them, ump, nothing more. game over.
VMan, you're obviously a big fan of both the NBA and MLB. Hint: Baseball is the game on a diamond with small white balls and bats, hopefully outdoors. Basketball is played with big orange balls on an indoor court.
As far as your mention of "padded petticoats and brassiers" go, well, you would know a lot better than I.
Jenks will probably get a pass, even though he copped. The Sox had been nailed earlier, and no action was taken in the game.. The worst would be a three-game, probably reduced to one on appeal. No biggy.
The Sox need something to fire them up. As for Big Bad Bobby Jenks, let's get back to dropping that Big Hammer with a two strikes. Everyone catches up with the gas eventually.
However, at least in the real league, the pitchers each take their turn at bat. Would Roger Clemens have been such a head hunter in his early days if he had to stand up there with a bat in his hand instead of a ball?
End the designated hitter rule. End the abomination.
Has any franchise every experienced such a reversal of fortune in such a short time -- in the standings, at the the gate and in the hearts of the fans?
There's a lesson here for all of us -- youth will be served, especially in the third period!
If you see any of the Hawks stars on Madison Street, buy 'em a beer -- those that are over 21, that is.
Let's bring Wayne Messmer back to sing the National Anthem for the Western Conference Finals -- and let it be the Red Wings!
Ian Kinsler was unperturbed by White Sox reliever Bobby Jenks' open admission that he deliberately threw at the Rangers second baseman on Saturday.
"That's part of the game," Kinsler said Tuesday afternoon. "There's nothing else to say about it."
Jenks was fined an undisclosed amount -- reportedly $750 -- by Major League Baseball on Tuesday after admitting that he deliberately threw behind Kinsler in the ninth inning of Saturday's game between the Rangers and White Sox. Rangers pitchers had hit six batters in the first four meetings between the two teams, and Jenks wasn't happy about it.
And our esteem manager weighed in:
"They can talk all they want, but we weren't trying to hit anybody," Rangers manager Ron Washington said. "If their pitcher says something like that ... that's on him. If my guys get hit six times and one of my guys wants to take care of business, then take care of business. But don't talk about it."
There's nothing wrong with a purpose pitch, especially one that doesn't make contact. Just makes the other side realize there could be a price to pay for tagging the opposition. I prefer this approach to actually hitting someone. It's a Gandhian approach to protecting teammates.
No fines, no suspensions. Just good ol' hard ball. That's why girls don't play baseball.
Some will cry and say that intentionally hitting a batter and benches clearing brawls should not be in baseball, but those are the same people that stopped playing in 5th grade. It's a part of the game. Just like body checks and sweaters over the head followed by a bombardment of haymakers are part of hockey. No reason to "sissyfy" our pro sports. But thank you Bobby for not hitting Kinsler. The Rangers need him healthy all season ;).
Also, none of those HBP's were intentional by the Rangers. Just look at the times they were hit. They wouldn't want an extra base runner in those situations. Just bad control. But I'm sure the Rangers were expecting something in return because of all the HBP's.