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As bad as what many Illinois pols pull? No. But, it certainly puts a cloud over both his judgment and his integrity, doesn't it? I think Obama could get better play if they laid off this Mr. Perfect Messiah routine when most informed people know better. Then again, the politically uninformed far outnumber the former, which translates into more (and easier to sway) votes. Sigh ...
not the only troubling part. Rezko was
well known in the housing development
community as being problematic. If small
people knew he was a problem, how could
a lawyer working on deals that involved
Rezko not know. Allison Davis, Vince Lane,
Tony Rezko....lots of problems. come clean
indeed.
For Clinton to have done something this bad, she would have had to leak a pick of Obama with Monica Lewinsky in an intimate moment. Obama and his followers profess to be above this sort of thing ... gee, guess he's not perfect on that front, either, huh?
If Harry Truman were running today his relationship to the KC machine would have been brought up by Henry Wallace and Strom Thurmond and today's reporters would have trashed him.
Our loss.
Gone would have been his great record as a Senator chairing the Truman Investigating Commission and his record as President after FDR had died.
The problem is the two mopes running do not come within a football field's length of what good Truman did before the 1948 campaign.
Our politics is the worse for it.
We have turned it into warfare, probably because of the thin record every one has, the attack dogs hired as campaign managers, and the whole extreme expense and long time period during which -- instead of carefully articulated positions and an eventual sense of trust -- we are induced to vote against on the basis of a series of single issue appeals.
It is all to the bad.
The key for me is what did Rezko get out of this relationship. So far, the evidence for any real quid pro quo is fairly penny-ante stuff.
Obama is a pol with national ambitions. There's always gonna be a certain amount of smoke. Nobody to my knowledge has yet produced the fire.
Since the Republic began, if you aspired to power, you had to take the heat. And like Harry said, if you can't take the heat...
lovefest with Barack...you're right to say that he needs to explain the land deal adjacent to his house with Tony...it showed extremely poor judgemnt on Barack's part...I don't think he and the family were living on the street and had to put together this deal to put a roof over their heads...the whole Rezko thing just screams naivete, and/or worse, insider and typical pol to me...
But I first demanded an explanation on this very Rezko topic early last year in the Sun-Times. This isn't new.
Rich, your indignation at folks questioning BO's transpaency on this issue has been on display for all to see in recent weeks...don't get p.o.'d if I don't remember something you wrote in an article in an edition of last year's Sun Times...
But, that's just like the rest of the Clintonistas. Twist it your own way and insist you're right.
I hate Hillary Clinton as much as (probable more than) anybody, but these photo ops are standard practice at fundraisers. Seems like you've never been to one ... actually, good for you!
Let's ask John Wayne!
Hey Duke! - Suppose Ringo Kid had to decide between two girls to settle down with and build that ranch in the wilderness...
The first girl, let's call her 'Alice' has a 'past' as a saloon worker. She is divorced. A lot of townies like her, but civilized folks consider her a tramp. She's tough.
The second girl, let's call her 'May' is new in town and the civilized folks are charmed her beauty, poems, and educated air. She scoffs at Alice and continually reminds you who her first husband was.
Then one day you discover that when May was younger, she had to do a 'favor'. She won't talk about it except to tell you that it was a mistake that a lot of girl make, but usually not her. She is above that normally, and it was an ugly, stupid one-time affair. She tells him she is ashamed of it and he should just forgive and forget and focus on her charm, eloquence and beauty instead.
Who would Ringo settle down with, Mr. Wayne?
"Well VanillaMan, it must have been a while since you saw my 1939 masterpiece, 'Stagecoach'. I recommend you stop watching 'Baby Einstein' DVDs and refresh your memory."
"Ringo would settle down with Alice because she knows the ugliness of the real world and knows that deals have to be made to survive. Unlike May, Alice isn't pretending to be virginal and basing her appeal on fake purity."
"Ringo would know that if she knew enough about her appeal to keep some things secret from him, she was able to keep other things secret. Ringo prefers grit to dreams when building that ranch because life has a way to chew up fakers and dreamers."
So are you saying that you should vote for Hillary?
"Over my dead body - pilgrim!"
By the way, I think that it's now fair to lump Bill and Hillary together given his major role in her campaign and, most likely, her administration if she were to win the nomination and general election.
contributor. Rezko got money from the City of
Chicago but it was probably federal money which
the city controls, tax credits. Maybe the photo
was from a Gutierrez fundraiser. Luis the link....
But it's still a question that I haven't seen specifically asked. Will they govern as a team?
The money guys were getting their hooks into him. The Rezco deal was probably a pay it forward favor. Guys like Rezco always have an agenda and Obama is lucky if he escaped being a pawn of these crooks.
Actually, as long as Bill kept his hands out of foreign affairs (remember how he screwed up by having no foreign policy during the Yugoslav breakup?), I'd be very comfortable with him as far as the economy is concerned. After all, he did balance the budget and greatly strengthen Social Security. I really don't blame NAFTA on Bill Clinton specfically; practically everyone on both sides of the congressional aisle wanted it (too much money to be made by contributors).
Hillary running domestic policy independently scares me. She honestly strikes me as a neo-socialist of sorts.
the incumbents are not aware of community problems; while not having to address every
pothole, most good State Senators are well aware
of community issues, whether coming directly from
their constituents or from the Aldermen or State
Reps in their district. Especially if they are in
the Senate for more than a few years.
Doesn't it, then, require a "suspension of disbelief" that a State Senator, whose forte was community organizing and low income housing, would be unaware of the foreclosures and housing
court problems of buildings in or around his own district -- projects that he promoted and were developed by his own mentor and patron, represented by the Senator's own law firm? (Although the Senator may only have directly billed 5 hours on the projects,remember this was not a huge law firm. And didn't the developer's having a client relationship to the law firm have something to do with his long standing relationship to the Senator? It could not have been random selection.) Didn't the church groups,
or community groups, or housing activists ever
bring to his attention that these were problem
buildings? Did the local papers ever cover any of these housing project problems? Again it is very hard to believe that such a State Senator was
unaware. The earlier Sun Times articles last year
mapped numerous Rezko related problem buildings throughout his district and nearby. He never saw or heard of those problems? Did he ever call Rezko and privately try to get him to clean up his
act in his own district? "Hey, Tony, you are making me look bad" (And if he didn't, why not!!??) Did the associated church group ever contact the Senator for help with the troubled
buildings? Can one imagine they wouldn't??
If you think this through in terms of how this might have actually played out, it is hard to believe that the Senator was not more involved or aware than the ignorance of Rezko that he professes. It just doesn't happen that way in Chicago politics.
The issue of the vacant lot may have involved
questionable ethics or appearances, but it was a personal business deal that did not involve the public per se.
This issue of the Senator's relationship to
the developer of bad buildings in his own district is a matter of messing with the public good, and could be a real conflict of interest in terms of his State Senate duties. This is really the blank page that has to be filled in with questions AND answers; and this could prove to be an even bigger story. The old, what did he know and when did he know it?
lol
The better story is who gave the snapshot to the media....Clinton WH, Uncle Tony.
Maybe Capt. Fax can shed some light
Rose law firm files disappearing and reappearing
white water
monica
$10,000 turned into $100,000 in suspect commodities transaction
impeachment
lying to federal officials
"depends on your defination of "is""
is that enough?
She just returned nearly $1 million in contributions bundled together by Norman Hsu, a fugitive on fraud charges from California?
Didn't Hsu also raise big money for all the folks endorsing Clinton now?
Yes, she did.
Every time Clinton says "Rezko" or pushes a reporter to call Obama about it, Obama should say "Hsu."
After awhile, she'll stop saying Rezko.
Gesundheit.
To Anonymous 45; Clinton had Republican Senate + House to deal with. Clinton did nothing about 93 WTC attack, Kobar Towers USS Kole etc and left economy falling towards recession.
I don't understand why Rezko "slumlord" stuff is sticking to Obama.... did he assist Rezko getting $$$ for his slums? Was it Obamas IL Rep District where Rezkos slums went unheated in winter? Did anyone address it with Rezko or was there any 'looking-the-other-way' ? Or has any of this been examined & dismissed already?
The take from many here is that greatest concern is on the "present" votes: nobody here seems to care WHY the votes because it Sounds and Looks bad. It smells like indecision... I don't think that there is a yellow "present" button on the President's desk. I am just as concerned about the high number of missed votes in US Senate as the 'present' ones.
Boom years? The recession in 2000 began in 2000, and Mr. Clinton was in office - remember?
US respect overseas? You obviously weren't overseas when Clinton was in office or you wouldn't say that either. Anti-America sentiment was rampant during the Clinton years when he authorized bombings in Serbia against their wishes. They considered him an ignorant hillbilly meddler and after the Monica scandal, they had a field day. Nope - Bush can't be blamed for what happened before he became president, can he?
Middle class squeeze? You are nuts! It depends on who you want to believe regarding the US economy anymore. If you are a Democrat, you think we are forever on the verge of an economic meltdown, even when every sign clearly pointed out that the US economy has NEVER been bigger than it is now. Shut up!
Unwinnable war? You idiots have been saying that since 2003, yet it is obvious that the new democratically elected governments in Iraq have built a government in a shorter time than it has taken us to even begin rebuilding at Ground Zero. You demand that they replace two generations of dictatorship in a shorter time than it takes us to build a building? Who's crazy? Unwinnable? You don't even hear that crap coming from anyone running for president anymore since REALITY started invading our partisan world.
Go ahead and justify a vote for Hillary based on your fictional account of Mr. Bill's White House escapades. You are a partisan because you do not want to know anything that could contradict your narrow minded view of the world. The rest of us are what you would call, "open-minded".
Welfare reform was only signed by Clinton after he was brought kicking and screaming to the table by Republicans and they put the pen in his hand with a gun to his head. He did not want to sign that bill and fought hard against it, but he knew his veto would get overriden, so he signed it to take credit for it instead of getting burned when he got overidden. I think you are spewing revisionist crap.
Rich, I couldn't agree more that Obama needs to conme clean on this deal. All of the other aspects of the relationship are small potatoes, but this house is huge. In my mind, the hosue deal leads to guilt by association. There uis just know way this happened by accident, and the fact the previous owners and real estate agents refuse to talk about speakes volumes for the whole affair.